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2011/01/11 00:32:52 (permalink)

can't pan in X1?

Iv'e tried interleave settings and deleting fx but I can't pan right or left.
 
All it does is make the volume softer when either panned left or right.
 
and the line tool for envelope does not work for me but the others like free hand and sine work.
 
and how do I bind the letter "c" to change my mouse to split audio mode like in sonar 8.5 so that I can just swith easily between select and split or (Cut)
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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 00:37:52 (permalink)
    Have you checked what default Pan Laws you are using?

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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 00:48:30 (permalink)
    I don't understand pan laws. but even in sonar 8.5 it does not pan either :(
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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 00:57:44 (permalink)
    It's gotta be something simplistic. Even with the interleave in mono it should still pan. Question: Is this a simple audio or instrument track?

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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 01:00:32 (permalink)
    simple audio track i think

    I just created another audio track and recorded on it. (Mics)
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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 01:05:40 (permalink)
    Yes, Sharpdion, Chris is right that it has to be something simple.  Now that we know you don't have panning working in 8.5, there's a user error involved, since basic panning has worked since day one of Cakewalk- it even works in X1--!

    If you're dealing with audio that you want panned differently from the way it was recorded, it needs to be mono.  The full stereo field is available to you that way.

    But you may want to record your track in stereo with the sound source already panned, and maybe some natural ambience recorded with the signal, like perhaps a vocal with room sound in it.  In that case, if you've ended up with a stereo track, it's not going to pan as you may expect, because it's already a stereo signal with the main sound already located in that stereo field.  You see?

    If it's a soft synth, you have the choice of panning it before bouncing to audio, or keeping it at center, and then recording a mono track where you can freely pan it anywhere.

    But the main concept here is that if something is already in stereo, it's logical that it's not going to respond fully to panning, because there's already a stereo image involved, while panning is the act of placing a sound (preferably monophonic) in a stereo field.

    You see?

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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 01:05:59 (permalink)
    Are you recording a mono signal on a stereo track? This is one way to have your track not pan. Its gotta be something like this
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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 01:09:20 (permalink)
    I'm sure it worked fine before, but how do I get it to pan now?

    any solutions?
    I have a SPS-66 FireWire, though I doubt it might help.
     
    oh and I tried to create a new project, import a song and pan it but same thing.
     
    when I record I just create a new audio track plug my mic into the input 1/L of my SPS-66 FireWire and set the input of the track to input 1/l, so basically recording in mono, ithink.
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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 01:13:38 (permalink)
    sharpdion23


    I'm sure it worked fine before, but how do I get it to pan now?

    any solutions?
    I have a SPS-66 FireWire, though I doubt it might help.


    ---CJ and I both just now answered your question.  The dead give away that you're trying to pan a stereo signal is when you said the sound fades out as you pan - that's because it's stereo.  It's already panned.  You have the choice of either recording your signals with a stereo panning in them, or not--A lot of people record everything straight up center, mono, and then they have total flexibility of where they want to pan things.

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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 01:26:27 (permalink)
    If you are talking about the "midi" track, it does not pan. But with a simple instrument track this should not be an issue anyways.
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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 01:35:44 (permalink)
    Here's a thought:

    --Save as, the project with a new name (e.g., pan test).
    --Bounce the offending track down to mono onto a new track
    --Now try & pan

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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 01:36:44 (permalink)
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    If you are talking about the "midi" track, it does not pan. But with a simple instrument track this should not be an issue anyways.


    Well, but actually there is MIDI panning - done with CC10.  I guess this thread is showing that the general topic of "panning" can be a bit complicated if the basic concepts of panning, and all the ways it's accomplished, isn't understood.

    Sharpdion--we're trying to help you.  Not clear yet what kind of data you're dealing with, audio or MIDI, and if it's mono or stereo.  It's all pretty simple really, but there several things to know about panning, involving the different kinds of source material possible.

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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 08:43:21 (permalink)
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    Here's a thought:

    --Save as, the project with a new name (e.g., pan test).
    --Bounce the offending track down to mono onto a new track
    --Now try & pan

    have a good one
    3Eo
    I'm not sure if this is how you wanted me to do it, but this is what I did,
     
    I took the offending track and exported it as a wav file Mono.
    Then I  imported it back onto a new track.
    this had only one set of wave form and not two, and when I right click the clip it says to convert to stereo.
    So I'm guessing this signal is now mono. still it doesn't pan though.
     
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    post edited by sharpdion23 - 2011/01/11 08:55:15
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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 11:43:55 (permalink)
    either a mono or a stereo track should pan regardless of interleave. I'm completely reaching here but is it possible that there is something off with the output (like a bus with the interleave off?)

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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 14:09:02 (permalink)
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    either a mono or a stereo track should pan regardless of interleave. I'm completely reaching here but is it possible that there is something off with the output (like a bus with the interleave off?)

    Both are on, on stereo like a new project it has been glwing blue for both master and Metronome
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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 14:15:06 (permalink)
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    Are you recording a mono signal on a stereo track? This is one way to have your track not pan. Its gotta be something like this
    Cj


    Why wouldn't it pan?

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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 14:28:24 (permalink)
    Is it possible that the output is somehow mono? (I'm going to keep trying)

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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 14:58:08 (permalink)
    Do you think it may have something to do with his ASIO control panel settings outside of Sonar?

    I can adjust panning and volumes outside of Sonar on my M-Audio Fast Track Ultra.

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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 15:09:24 (permalink)
    chrisharbin


    Is it possible that the output is somehow mono? (I'm going to keep trying)


    How do I check this? (Thanks for helping)
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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 16:15:18 (permalink)
    Somehow your master output has changed to mono. That's why when you pan the volume drops slightly. Check your master & output devices etc
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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 17:02:52 (permalink)
    Here is a screenshot of my project.

    http://i54.tinypic.com/2uep93b.jpg

    Hope it helps!
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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 17:19:37 (permalink)
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    Here is a screenshot of my project.

    http://i54.tinypic.com/2uep93b.jpg

    Hope it helps!


    Thanks for the picture, Sharpdion.  It does help - Your master is Mono, as Music Miscreant theorized.  Here's what a stereo master looks like in X1:



    It would seem your master is assigned to just one side of your interface.

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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 17:24:17 (permalink)
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    Iv'e tried interleave settings and deleting fx but I can't pan right or left.
     
    All it does is make the volume softer when either panned left or right.
     
    and the line tool for envelope does not work for me but the others like free hand and sine work.
     
    and how do I bind the letter "c" to change my mouse to split audio mode like in sonar 8.5 so that I can just swith easily between select and split or (Cut)


    I have that problem sometimes. I create a new track and copy the audio and then it works. Something make the track not work correctly. Intermittent so very hard to recreate.
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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 18:05:03 (permalink)
    Try clicking the mono/stereo interleave button on the Master bus. Your screen shot shows it set to mono.



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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 18:51:30 (permalink)
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    sharpdion23


    Here is a screenshot of my project.

    http://i54.tinypic.com/2uep93b.jpg

    Hope it helps!


    Thanks for the picture, Sharpdion.  It does help - Your master is Mono, as Music Miscreant theorized.  Here's what a stereo master looks like in X1:



    It would seem your master is assigned to just one side of your interface.

    Randy B.

    here's a better screenshot that looks similar to that picture above
     
    http://i53.tinypic.com/25p1w0w.jpg
     
    and to pitzj and cliffsp8,
     
    I have tried those already
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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 18:59:37 (permalink)
    Can you select from pulldown "playback timing master" and select a device? Not familiar with that soundcard so not sure what the exact one should be (return 1?)

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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 19:04:20 (permalink)
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    Can you select from pulldown "playback timing master" and select a device? Not familiar with that soundcard so not sure what the exact one should be (return 1?)

    sorry about that here is what it is. scratch the first ptm
     
    http://i56.tinypic.com/29mn9g2.jpg
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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 19:10:26 (permalink)
    Ok, are there any other options under PTM?

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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 19:16:29 (permalink)
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    Ok, are there any other options under PTM?

    Yeah here they are:
    http://i56.tinypic.com/t83xiu.jpg
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    Re:can't pan in X1? 2011/01/11 19:27:33 (permalink)
    Ok, I'm stumped again.

    Go up to the area just above where you are to "devices"

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