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2009/11/04 01:29:59 (permalink)

changing the tempo but not the time signature

I have written midi drum tracks and saved them in different time signatures.( I hate playing to a click!)  Now how do I change the tempo for the whole "song" without it changing the time signatures?
 
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    SalfordLad
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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 02:18:34 (permalink)
    In Sonar 7, go to the start then it's Insert>Tempo Change.
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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 02:24:11 (permalink)
    Yea, you can insert as many tempo changes as you want.
    View the tempo track to make adjustments.

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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 02:41:09 (permalink)
    Time signature has absolutely nothing to do with tempo (it is impossible to change the time signature by changing the tempo!), so I wonder if maybe you meant something else...? Maybe you meant to say that you've recorded a drumtrack without using the click and you want to keep that 'loose' recording but at the same time speed it up a little or slow it down some? In THAT case you can simply change the OVERALL tempo of the song. 
    Even if you do NOT play along with the click, the click is still active in the background (it defaults at 120 usually). So if you set it to for example 100, the complete song will be played slower but still with the same loose feel and rhythm changes that you recorded it in. 
    If you have the tempo in the toolbar, simply change it. or you can also add a tempo change at the very beginning of the song using the menu.
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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 02:45:01 (permalink)
    Maybe I didn't explain it correctly. Sorry. I don't want to have numerous changes in a song. I want to speed up or slow down the entire midi tracks before i record audio to them. Like take it from 120 to 90 or 90 to 130 etc.

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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 02:47:45 (permalink)
    See my edited post: I already figured you meant something else. ;) 
    Go to the beginning of the song, choose Insert > Tempo change and simply set it to the tempo you want! That's it.
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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 03:17:10 (permalink)
    Every time I do what all of you are suggesting it only works on the first measure and then it goes crazy off time. remember these are just midi drum tracks. I know it's something that will make me feel stupid but it's really bugging me!

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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 04:04:55 (permalink)
    Open the Tempo view and check if there are any other tempo chances in the song! Maybe somehow you accidently added them. Delete all entries apart from the very first one, which should have the tempo you want. 

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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 04:22:46 (permalink)
    do you mean, you have written different drum clips in different tempos - ie a slow one, then the beat is faster in the next one? or have you indeed written in different time signatures (one groove in 3/4, the next in 4/4?) whichever, you will need to either insert multiple tempo changes or change the time signature when it changes...

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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 05:13:59 (permalink)
    There's an option on the Insert Tempo to check that you want the new tempo to be inserted from the Now point all the way to the next tempo change.  It's important to check this as otherwise it will only change the tempo for the current measure, or something like that.  I had a similar experience a little while back and couldn't figure what was going on until I studied the dialogue box properly.

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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 07:34:28 (permalink)
    Guys guys, he wants Groove clipping.
    To the poster, right click your midi clip and enable it as a groove clip. this will make it follow any project tempo. yuo can also stretch the clip out for the entire lengh of the song.
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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 08:16:37 (permalink)
    Maybe - but MIDI would follow any tempo change anyway, regardless of whether it's a groove clip.  The groove clip benefits for MIDI are really just the ability to drag it out to loop.

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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 16:04:00 (permalink)
    but MIDI would follow any tempo change anyway, regardless of whether it's a groove clip.

    No it doesnt. You need to make it a groove clip. Only midi that has been enabled wioth groove clipping will follow tempo.
    If you make some midi clips in a project at a tempo of 120 and trgen change the tempo to 100, the midi clips will NOT follow tempo, UNLESS you convert them to groove clipping.
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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 16:39:34 (permalink)
    CJaysMusic

    If you make some midi clips in a project at a tempo of 120 and trgen change the tempo to 100, the midi clips will NOT follow tempo, UNLESS you convert them to groove clipping.

    Sorry, but that's just not true.  I've been doing it for years.  Including long before we even had groove clips.
     



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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 17:12:46 (permalink)
    tparker is correct. MIDI does follow tempo changes.

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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 17:27:18 (permalink)
    Yea, im confused. As always. I keep thinking audio, when its midi...
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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 17:30:49 (permalink)
    CJ is right, he needs to change individual midi clips.

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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 18:15:29 (permalink)
    I think thats all he needs to do is enable it as a groove clip, but everyone seems to think im wrong. It doesnt hurt to try

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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 18:59:15 (permalink)
    This thread is getting a bit weird, and I'm still not entirely sure what the OP is trying to achieve!  If you record midi data at tempo X, then play it back at tempo Y it will play in time.  That's what MIDI is all about, and has been for 20 years.  Doesn't matter what tempo all the individual midi tracks were 'recorded' at. An Audio track on the other hand needs to be converted to a groove clip to track tempo changes.

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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 19:16:17 (permalink)
    I have written midi drum tracks and saved them in different time signatures.( I hate playing to a click!) Now how do I change the tempo for the whole "song" without it changing the time signatures? thanks in advance, jimi

    Lets take another look then....How to change the tempo without changing the tine signature.. Hum???
    The short answer is just change the tempo. The time signature will stay the same, cause your only changing the tempo.
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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/04 22:52:13 (permalink)
    Hey guys I noticed something that may be a problem. I did all the tracks using cut and paste for each measure. I wasn't sure how to use groove clips as I have never worked with them before.  What do you guys think?

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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/05 01:38:46 (permalink)
    Ok I deleted all the cut and paste measures and did groove clips. Tempo change wiil still only go to the first markers (these guys ^ v) then it goes back to the original tempo.

    And WOOD I don't have the option you mentioned in my tempo change box. It just has
    "change the most recent tempo or insert a new tempo starting at:"  I've tried both but no love.
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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/05 01:57:09 (permalink)
    I don't know what's going on, but it seems like there have been a lot of these "tempo only changes for one measure" posts lately. 

    Go to View > Tempo in the main menu. You should have one and only one tempo entry at 1:01:000. Delete any additional tempo changes. Check out pages 330-332 of the SONAR 8 Reference Guide for more info. If you still only get the desired tempo for one measure, maybe we need to talk about what synth you are driving with the MIDI.



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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/05 03:18:32 (permalink)
    Well I checked the manual like you said and the only thing I see is maybe if I went into insert series of tempos and enter the start and end time there.   As for what synth i'm using it's just a yamaha QY70 sound module.
     
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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/05 03:38:00 (permalink)
    Well I checked the manual like you said and the only thing I see is maybe if I went into insert series of tempos and enter the start and end time there.


    Creating a series of tempos is covered in those pages, but I really meant to refer you to the pages on tempo changes in general, and the Tempo View in particular. You still haven't said what you found there...?

    If you're just driving a hardware synth, that shouldn't matter. I thought you might be using a dedicated software drum synth that has its own pattern generator, and is not following the project tempo somehow. But it doesn't sound like that's the problem here.

    There's no audio in this project yet, right? It's just a MIDI track? And SONAR isn't slaving to the QY70's sequencer... I hope.

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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/05 04:02:55 (permalink)
    There is no audio yet.  Just midi...I don't know if sonar is slaving to the QY70...I don't think so? How do I check that?
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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/05 04:08:05 (permalink)
    Reference Guide, page 830:

    To Use the Audio Clock Source
    1. Click on the Sync toolbar.
    OR
    Choose Options-Project, and click the Clock tab.
    2. Check the Audio box.
    3. Click OK.




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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/05 09:08:30 (permalink)
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    I don't know what's going on, but it seems like there have been a lot of these "tempo only changes for one measure" posts lately. 

    Go to View > Tempo in the main menu. You should have one and only one tempo entry at 1:01:000. Delete any additional tempo changes. Check out pages 330-332 of the SONAR 8 Reference Guide for more info. If you still only get the desired tempo for one measure, maybe we need to talk about what synth you are driving with the MIDI.


    +1 to this. Also make sure you display the tempo list in the tempo view - there's a button for that. There's where you will see extra tempo events.
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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/05 22:18:40 (permalink)
    ok I had the audio box checked from the first recording...forgot where I read that but I did it.  bvideo, thanks for the tip but I checked there too. There is only the one tempo event.

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    Re:changing the tempo but not the time signature 2009/11/07 03:52:56 (permalink)
    Ok I guess either everyone is stumped or just tired of this thread. I don't blame you. 29 posts. (7 by me)  I truly thank all of you for posting  The only work around I found was to go to series of tempos and in the tempo range just put the tempo I wanted. Like 150-150. Then in the time range put the length of the song. As in from - thru.
    Not what everyone said but it works.  Go figure!

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