yorolpal


I have...on several occasions...made the international rock star, futurist and self-absorbed navel gazer Peter Gabriel physically distressed utlilizing Sonar...if that counts.  Plus I've earned my living using it for many, many years.

That's enough for me! Peter Gabriel is my hero since I was a kid. Great artist, if he can work with Sonar  I can as well then   


thanks Yorolpal, although not sure if I understood correctly what you meant by:
"Peter Gabriel physically distressed utlilizing Sonar".... Peter was distressed using Sonar?

"Household names" really depends on your household. Public Enemy are not remotely obscure. And in any case, this is just goalpost-shifting. "Sonar isn't used by pros, and we're going to prove that by dismissing any pro names mentioned on entirely spurious grounds". What a weird thread this is.

kc2ine

 

Thanks Konrad,
I agree with you as to MACs, now PC are same or more powerful then MACs. Apple is really annoying and overpriced,
actually I got macbook pro because almost every artist I've seen in music, graphics or photography were using macs.
Now I know it's kinda snobbery. I bought also iPad :( few weeks later I have returned both :) and for half the price got  
great pc laptop.

...exactly....
 
 
...by the way, within my genre of music, I well know of "TACTICAL SEKT", american "dark electro/industrial/EBM" band...
They released three succesful albums from 2003 through 2006, giving credits to SONAR far as the sequencer...
...They now have a new work in progress...  
 
 

I have SAMA award winning clients who have sold over a Million CD's in South Africa created on Sonar. Multi Platinum in South Africa ain't bad. In Fact a million CD's aint bad anywhere in the world :-)

 
I think I know that guy...  

Hi John T, I was certainly not dismissing Public Enemy or for that matter Peter Gabriel. In fact I'm a big fan of both (just did a cover of Dont Give Up for a client). If they use Sonar, that's killer. Its good news to me. But I think restoring a Ray Charles record could have been done in anything - it's the 3d party plugins that'll make the difference there anyways, as Sonar has no native restoration tools that I know of. Any DAW can edit sample-accurately and loop bits.

No one is knocking those who DO USE Sonar, but my point is there are many more examples of those who don't in the Professional realm. Why is it so hard to accept and acknowledge that? I am not saying it's right or wrong either - maybe all those chart topping engineers are idiots who don't know a good thing when they get in in the mail.

All I am asking this thread to look at the stats without emotion.. seems odd that there's this huge defense going on. Remember, I also choose to use Sonar, I'm just willing to look at it's place in the industry without getting upset about it. And I have found that Sonar is good with certain stuff, and other DAWs are good with other things. I use my tools for the jobs they're designed for. I will never track a concert in Sonar again - too much that can and will go wrong, esp with Timecode. But I love composing in Sonar - everything's on-hand and it all sounds great.

Horses for courses I tell ya.

John T


Well... I don't think we have "the stats", to be honest. Anecdotally, sure, ProTools seems to be pretty much a standard in "proper" studios. I don't think this really means anything much.

probably not, I realize good sound engineer can make great recording on anything including old tascam 4 track tape recorder. I posted this question exclusively out of curiosity not to stir up anything. 
I guess final recording and mixing product quality depends much more on audio interfaces, mikes used etc then really on software used for mixing. Am I correct?

It's true Kc2ine - to some extent. Using a U87 to mic up something is not guaranteed a perfect result even though the mic is supposed to be "the best in the world". It still comes down to use. I heard a brilliant recording made with a cheap Logitech mic, pluggd into a laptops mic input, recorded into Fruity Loops. The guy who did it is a successfull recording artist over here. I don't know, however, if that version was ever released. My point is, it always comes down to the user/engineer/producer/musician. The equipment is important but only experience and talent can make good use of it. The final recording and mixing product quality depends more on who is creating it and less and less about equipment. Saying Pro Tools is better than Sonar for creating hit music is as much an insult as saying that Sonar is better than Pro Tools for creating hit music.

Quincy Jones often employed an SM57 on MJ's vox. But then again, he DID have Protools... :O) Sorry, I couldn't resist. He had mostly tape, methinks. And some freekin AWESOME instincts.

You've misunderstood ol pal.  I don't think Peter would know Sonar from Adam's Off Ox...I'm sure he and his minions use Pro-Tools (probably).  I've just done several remixes of his songs which have caused him distress.  And I used Sonar to do it.  Don't get me wrong...I like ol Pete.  But ya gotta keep him on a short leash or he starts goin all pretentious on ya at any given moment.  HTH.

Re: Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson, those records are engineered by Bruce Swedien. Quincy didn't "use" anything to make them that's not the kind of producer he is.

Didn't you mean "Britney's exactly NOT Aretha Franklin"??  I don't think you get more of a fish/bicycle comparison using those two.

John T, the 57 comment was meant as a bit of light humour, sorry if it offended you :O) I fully back you on the Britney viewpoint, she's actually awesome in her genre. But then, Max Martin deserves some credit there too I believe.

Right...but only one of them can "really" sing...with soul...uniquely.

yorolpal


Right...but only one of them can "really" sing...with soul...uniquely.

On that same point, I did a TV shoot here in SA and Fourplay was supposed to perform, but the plane was delayed. Harvey Mason arrived by himself and played three "drum songs", no backtracks, no melodic instruments, no drum solos, no fancy stuff. He called half the audience up onstage and got them to clap and chant along - he had the audience COOKING and begging for more. Not many that can do that, or would even be willing to try...

Loads of people can't sing very well live. I think this is a bit beside the point, or at any rate, not what I'm talking about.