BenMMusTech


Kc2ine, ok here is my take, Yes one fader is more than enough.  Have you seen engineers behind their mixing desk.  Remind you of the old adage of compensating.

We have moved on from massive desks that actually take two or three people to operate, if we need to make multiple fader/whatever movements we just go back and do one at a time (somewhat more accurate, I would believe and then of course even more acurate is to draw them in)  Because we mix as we go (I am a modern digital musician) the whole notion of needing to do multilple fader movements, well lets just say I don't do it very offten.

The other thing we have is grouping, I am doing that at the moment with one of my sends.

(Slightly OT) Does that mean we don't need mixing desks/hardware faders anymore, NO!!! there are many occasions when we still need these devices but it is fast becoming obsolete.

I am at the moment using a tablet controller, the app cost me 5$, the tablet cost me $700, the great thing is I can mix a song and answer emails at the same time.

As The Digital Musician starts to become more prevelent, we will see more of a shift away from tradtional models, things like mixing desks and studios.
 
I will have a lot of "engineers" up in arms over that last statement but a new musican is emerging, The Digital Musician, for which I am.  This new breed of musican, does not need an engineer or a producer or studio or a ****ing great edifice to make up for a small manhood.

As Robert Fripp said and I apply this to me "I am a small, mobile, independent and intelligent unit"

Peace Ben

I find this entire post to be nonsense. But what shows how nonsensical it is the part in bold above. If what is being claimed is true then what on this earth is the difference between that approach and a physical CS on ones desk? Does it not have multiple faders? Does it not control the DAW? Simply because its on a tablet doesn't change a thing as to the usefulness of a CS with multiple faders.

However if you haven't use a physical CS a good one like a MC then one can't know well they work.

There is more to it then just virtual faders. Its also the tactile feedback one gets from moving a real fader. Over time one gets a feel on just what a movement will do to the sound. You don't even have to look at the CS because one gets accustom to what its doing and it becomes an extension of the mind.

On other threads I've spoken about the bugs in envelopes that haven't been an issue for me because I use a CS. If yo do automation using a mouse then I can see how any bug would be  a problem but for me if I need to change the automation I can just as quickly rewrite is as edit it. I have never copied automation I just write it as needed. Its so simple to do. The notion that fewer faders is good enough is also perplexing to me. I can see it for cost and space concerns but no matter how one tries to rationalize this it just wont work. Nobody spends money just to spend money. The reason all those large desks exist is for having all those channels with faders to control the sound. If anyone thinks that will go away anytime soon you have another think coming. 

I just don't get it why one would put a way of doing something down that has proved an efficient way to do it.

My answer is they just have no clue.

BenMMusTech


As The Digital Musician starts to become more prevelent, we will see more of a shift away from tradtional models, things like mixing desks and studios.
 
I will have a lot of "engineers" up in arms over that last statement but a new musican is emerging, The Digital Musician, for which I am.  This new breed of musican, does not need an engineer or a producer or studio or a ****ing great edifice to make up for a small manhood.

As Robert Fripp said and I apply this to me "I am a small, mobile, independent and intelligent unit"

Peace Ben

that's what I think Ben, as the name of the tool implies faders in mixers will fade away like they did in modern stereo equipment.  
With programmable tablet, mouse etc you can control everything remotely and painlessly.

So there is no volume control on modren stereos?

I think John you must be one of the fogies who has issues with his small appendage otherwise you wouldn't need a desk which are going the way of the dodo...

personaly your inviting it..!! as for degree's. you pay you get 1..
i wont even touch that further !!

just because you bought something today doesn't mean it's modern, knobs still will be around for some time but eventually will be gone as well. There are other, better means of total control then just physical.


 

snookerc

BenMMusTech As The Digital Musician starts to become more prevelent, we will see more of a shift away from tradtional models, things like mixing desks and studios.   I will have a lot of "engineers" up in arms over that last statement but a new musican is emerging, The Digital Musician, for which I am.  This new breed of musican, does not need an engineer or a producer or studio or a ****ing great edifice to make up for a small manhood. As Robert Fripp said and I apply this to me "I am a small, mobile, independent and intelligent unit" Peace Ben

 



This has already happened to a great extent.  Besides the accessibility of technology, major labels have little money to send all their acts to the big studios anymore.  They'd prefer you record this on your own in your own studio... a lot of the time, anyway.


However, there's also a big backlash going on right now because the "new breed of musicians" making recordings in their basement are making crappy-sounding records compared to what they were making in the "big" studios.  And it's not just because of the "loudness wars".  For the type of electronic music you're talking about (that can be done all "in the box"), I'm guessing it all sounds pretty good.  But for anyone still using microphones to a greater extent, it's more difficult.  

But I'm pretty sure as the software gets better/smarter, all this will be less of a factor as well.  Especially when it comes to mastering...  but I digress.

Actually the kind of artist you are describing is not a digital musican at all, they are electronic composers, perhaps but not digital musicians.  A digital musician needs to be able to play a real instrument, know enough musical theory so as to help in the digital musicians journy and most of all they have to understand the new instrument:THE DAW.
 
Go to my soundcloud site you will see I play real instruments and virtual ones and I have produced all acoustic affairs, real drum recordings and electronic music.
 
As for my degree's my RHD is paid for by the goverment and do you know what a profesor earns: somwhere in the vacinity of 100,000 dollars a year.  In the current climate, that is the music industries current climate not too many artists make that anymore.  I have just choosen the best path so I can continue my journy as a digital musician.  I mean who doesn't want to get paid for doing what they love!!!
 
Finally I am becoming a Dr for the purpose of good.  Tear down the whole stinking edifice and start again.  Guess what you can acheive these goals when your a Dr and earning a 100,000 dollars a year.
 
Disclaimer I am not in it for the money but I am in it for the infamy!!!
 
Peace Ben 

I think John you must be one of the fogies who has issues with his small appendage otherwise you wouldn't need a desk which are going the way of the dodo... personaly your inviting it..!! as for degree's. you pay you get 1.. i wont even touch that further !!

StarTekh

Not cool, man, not cool.  Let's play nice, okay?  

And I was playing nicely it was John who started it and I decided to use my vast lexicon to put him back into his place!!

Peace

Guess what you can acheive these goals when your a Dr and earning a 100,000 dollars a year



LOL (almost): you're thinking about a medical doctor. Doctors of music end up busking outside McDonald's.


Do you have performance letters BMus? I do and I didn't need a degree to get them.

backwoods


Guess what you can acheive these goals when your a Dr and earning a 100,000 dollars a year



LOL (almost): you're thinking about a medical doctor. Doctors of music end up busking outside McDonald's.

ROTFL!!!





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snookerc

I think John you must be one of the fogies who has issues with his small appendage otherwise you wouldn't need a desk which are going the way of the dodo... personaly your inviting it..!! as for degree's. you pay you get 1.. i wont even touch that further !!

StarTekh

Not cool, man, not cool.  Let's play nice, okay?  

Quote the right poster. That was quoted from Ben. Its funny how when  Dr. Ben is feeling put down he resorts to attacking the person and not the idea.

snookerc           There's something about physical feel that is more "natural" and satisfying.      and which one do you think is more safe and cheaper???

I didn't realize we were talking about safety LOL!  Are you afraid those nasty faders will bite your fingernails off?  Get some kind of PTD?????  LOL!



**PTD:  Pan control Transmitted Disease

snookerc

As for my degree's my RHD is paid for by the goverment and do you know what a profesor earns: somwhere in the vacinity of 100,000 dollars a year. 

BenMMusTech

I guess that's what's wrong with the US education system.  Our college profs make nowhere near that here!!  That's why I went into computer programming instead LOL!  




**Okay, okay... actually, our college system is good.  It's the K-12 grades that stink.

Actually here in OZ there are plenty of jobs for Dr's of Music,  the problem is the rest of the world is broke and they do tend to slash and burn the arts programs first when everything else is going to the ****.
 
And finally to John and the other guy saying shut this topic down, Yes it was you John who started the slinging match by calling my post nonsence and if you cant handle double entrdre's for which all of Brittish television is based upon, well!!!!
 
Peace

John

snookerc

I think John you must be one of the fogies who has issues with his small appendage otherwise you wouldn't need a desk which are going the way of the dodo... personaly your inviting it..!! as for degree's. you pay you get 1.. i wont even touch that further !!

StarTekh

Not cool, man, not cool.  Let's play nice, okay?  

Quote the right poster. That was quoted from Ben. Its funny how when  Dr. Ben is feeling put down he resorts to attacking the person and not the idea.

Sorry John and StarTekh...!!!!!!!!  I totally messed that one up!!!

And finally to John and the other guy saying shut this topic down, Yes it was you John who started the slinging match by calling my post nonsence and if you cant handle double entrdre's for which all of Brittish television is based upon, well!!!! Peace

So you think calling your post nonsense is the same as attacking me? I started it? No sir you did when you thought you had something worth while to say. Not only that you contradicted yourself in the very same post. Don't you even know that? You either need to read the claptrap you write or sue the university you say you attended for incompetence.