do you really need more then one hardware fader?

Mainly if you want to ride more than one parameter at the same time I would say-

Then again, you can assign a knob to the other parameter-

Ultimately, one fader is fine to gitter done.

Other than that, if you like to mix old school moving multiple faders at the same time.


Lance

We once have switched to computers from hardware and now we're switching back to hardware again...fader after fader, know after knob until we'll back to standalone hardware recorder 

Yes, it sometimes seems ironic, but you're mostly only buying knobs and switches now, not expensive DSP and synth circuitry and firmware that is difficult or impossible to upgrade as technology improves.


Multiple faders allow you to mix multiple tracks without having to do any button pushing to change track focus.

John


 Having 8 or more faders lets one move those faders at the same time if needed and that is often needed.

but why? you cannot move precisely and accurately  more then one unless you're chameleon...

One fader is enough.  Is it better to have more if you have the money and the space, but it is a leftover convention from the analog days.  With automation write via the mouse for precise control and one fader to write bigger changes, more faders just speed things up a wee bit doing the entire mix.  And looks cool, too, with all those faders snapping around.  But I do most of my work one track at a time once the general levels are set for all tracks.

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You don't need more than one fader but it sure is nice and convenient to have.

It's one of those things that when you haven't got them you wonder why you on earth you'd need them, then when you've got them you wonder how on earth you managed without them.

kc2ine

John


Having 8 or more faders lets one move those faders at the same time if needed and that is often needed.

but why? you cannot move precisely and accurately  more then one unless you're chameleon...

You don't need to move them all simultaneously. You can handle 2-4 sliders at the same time. You raise the guitar when the guitar solo starts, boost the backing vocals during chorus etc. It's not the only way to do it, but simply, many want to do it that way. It can't be an issue, can it?

John, I said I work on a track at a time once the overall levels have been set.  For that, a single fader works.  As for precision - your left pinkie is as accurate as your right index?  And can do .1 dB increments?  Just to be sure.

And of course more is better - what isn't except my girth?  We were talking about controllers and I said moving multiple faders was necessary during the analog days and you turn it into a digital/analog mixer how many faders do we have.  Playing a board is an analog convention.  Guess what?  It works for digital, too.  Even non-moving ones.  it is one way to work.  And fun and organic.  But I doubt anyone today uses it as a way to control silibence.  If you do, more power to you.  I use a mouse. 
The op asked if one fader can work.  it can.  maybe you can't make it work.  Or maybe you just prefer to work w/ more faders.  That ain't the same thing.

kc2ine


well, i see John is a chameleon then...as far as I know humans cannot focus their eyes at more then one point at a time.
There is of course peripheral vison but this is blare and doesn't provide accuracy. 
So as I see it multi-fadering allows you only ballpark adjustment and then you still have to adjust each and every fader separately. Not really big gain, but other argument that it looks cool convince me better. Imagine shocking effect of a sexy groupie walking into your studio with all those flying fadres and sh$t 


p.s.
Great, it saves me few hundreds dollars.

You do know that a Mackie Control has a track strip for showing the tracks in use. No different from looking at the CV. Plus on an MC you have levels showing.

If you have never tried an MC I really don't see how you can comment about it in any way. You really don't know what you are talking about.  You may think you are being clever but it comes off as ignorance.

kc2ine

John

     You really don't know what you are talking about.  You may think you are being clever but it comes off as ignorance. 


John, haven't you recently received that message? I believe you have....

It would appear you received it. I never have.

Well I think more is better

 
yeah me too..

Kc: are you done yet >??

Kc: maby i should post a pic of me at the A&M big recording desk

StarTekh


Kc: maby i should post a pic of me at the A&M big recording desk

well. I don't want to see more tomatoes 

Kc2ine, ok here is my take, Yes one fader is more than enough.  Have you seen engineers behind their mixing desk.  Remind you of the old adage of compensating.

We have moved on from massive desks that actually take two or three people to operate, if we need to make multiple fader/whatever movements we just go back and do one at a time (somewhat more accurate, I would believe and then of course even more acurate is to draw them in)  Because we mix as we go (I am a modern digital musician) the whole notion of needing to do multilple fader movements, well lets just say I don't do it very offten.

The other thing we have is grouping, I am doing that at the moment with one of my sends.

(Slightly OT) Does that mean we don't need mixing desks/hardware faders anymore, NO!!! there are many occasions when we still need these devices but it is fast becoming obsolete.

I am at the moment using a tablet controller, the app cost me 5$, the tablet cost me $700, the great thing is I can mix a song and answer emails at the same time.

As The Digital Musician starts to become more prevelent, we will see more of a shift away from tradtional models, things like mixing desks and studios.
 
I will have a lot of "engineers" up in arms over that last statement but a new musican is emerging, The Digital Musician, for which I am.  This new breed of musican, does not need an engineer or a producer or studio or a ****ing great edifice to make up for a small manhood.

As Robert Fripp said and I apply this to me "I am a small, mobile, independent and intelligent unit"

Peace Ben

Now how many fader do you realy need KC ?