Helpful Replyezdrummer2

Page: < 1234 > Showing page 2 of 4
Author
200bpm
Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 337
  • Joined: 2014/06/25 15:01:55
  • Status: offline
Flagged as Spam (1)
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/06/28 00:03:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TESLA 82 2014/07/11 12:42:57
Its probably incorrect to assume the didn't know about this proir to release.  They probably have hundreds of open tickets.  Release dates don't slip, minor bugs get pushed out. This is a backwards compat issue which will not affect new projects and over time there will be less occurances of it.  They may work it off but its low priority.  Small market share in sonar. They address visible issues for larger platforms first.
 
#31
konradh
Max Output Level: -42 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3325
  • Joined: 2006/01/16 16:07:06
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/06/28 00:18:41 (permalink)
Hm, I am not sure this will not affect new projects.  And I question the statement that Sonar users upgrading from version 1 is a small group; however, I don't really have the data to know.

Konrad
Current album and more: http://www.themightykonrad.com/

Sonar X1d Producer. V-Studio 700. PC: Intel i7 CPU 3.07GHz, 12 GB RAM. Win 7 64-bit. RealGuitar, RealStrat, RealLPC, Ivory II, Vienna Symphonic, Hollywood Strings, Electr6ity, Acoustic Legends, FabFour, Scarbee Rick/J-Bass/P-Bass, Kontakt 5. NI Session Guitar. Boldersounds, Noisefirm. EZ Drummer 2. EZ Mix. Melodyne Assist. Guitar Rig 4. Tyros 2, JV-1080, Kurzweil PC2R, TC Helicon VoiceWorks+. Rode NT2a, EV RE20. Presonus Eureka.  Rokit 6s. 
#32
200bpm
Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 337
  • Joined: 2014/06/25 15:01:55
  • Status: offline
Flagged as Spam (1)
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/06/28 14:12:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TESLA 82 2014/07/11 12:43:07
I am a software engineer for many years and towards a release there are a ton of bugs, there is no way to fix all of them.  My point is that rather than delay release, they will focus on the big issues.  Fix the highly visible/easy bugs, delay the less visible/difficult bugs.  The kinds of bugs that the user community is finding will give you an idea of how mature the product is upon release.
 
The EZD2 "incompatible with old projects in Sonar" seems like a moderately low visibility, high difficulty fix and may require collaboration with Cakewalk.  This doesnt mean they didn't know about it before release.  Its not because they "didn't test" or "don't care about Sonar", its more likely that they were pushing the deadline.
#33
Splat
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 8672
  • Joined: 2010/12/29 15:28:29
  • Location: Mars.
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/06/28 14:53:04 (permalink)
[Deleted post, not because I said anything bad, rather it didn't contribute, commenting that I'm laughing my ass off does not add to any constructive conversation].
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2014/06/28 15:11:44

Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed.
@48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38.

Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
#34
lawp
Max Output Level: -67 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 1154
  • Joined: 2012/06/28 13:27:41
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/06/28 15:13:43 (permalink)
Sonar doesn't have the ability to swap the number of outs dynamically, no?

sstteerreeoo ffllllaanngge
#35
konradh
Max Output Level: -42 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3325
  • Joined: 2006/01/16 16:07:06
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/06/28 16:33:23 (permalink)
CakeAlexS, Share the joke with us because this whole thing has not been funny to me.  I could use some humor.

Konrad
Current album and more: http://www.themightykonrad.com/

Sonar X1d Producer. V-Studio 700. PC: Intel i7 CPU 3.07GHz, 12 GB RAM. Win 7 64-bit. RealGuitar, RealStrat, RealLPC, Ivory II, Vienna Symphonic, Hollywood Strings, Electr6ity, Acoustic Legends, FabFour, Scarbee Rick/J-Bass/P-Bass, Kontakt 5. NI Session Guitar. Boldersounds, Noisefirm. EZ Drummer 2. EZ Mix. Melodyne Assist. Guitar Rig 4. Tyros 2, JV-1080, Kurzweil PC2R, TC Helicon VoiceWorks+. Rode NT2a, EV RE20. Presonus Eureka.  Rokit 6s. 
#36
joakes
Max Output Level: -72 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 905
  • Joined: 2006/12/05 15:51:24
  • Location: 465 Km South West of Paris
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/06/28 17:27:58 (permalink)
I have an feeling i get whatever Alex wrote.........., for once.

Personally :

I insert EZ2 as a soft synth, multiple outputs
I move/slide the midi data from the EZ1 folder to the EZ 2 folder and change its target to the EZ2 engine.
I delete the EZ1 folder
I select my EZ2 kit and if neçessary re-assign outputs, as and when i want to
I make music.
Where is the show stopping problem ?

Its a "hassle" sure, but a few clicks.....

Cheers,
Jerry

Built by yours truely : I7-2600@3.4GHz, Asus P67Z68, W10x64 Creator Edition, 32GB RAM, 3 HD's, nVidia 760 GT, Focusrite 18i20 2,d Gen + Ti FW, Oxygen 61 iv Gen, and Edirol SD-20 (yes it works), CbB, Teles, Strats, LP's, Epi Riviera, etc
#37
jb101
Max Output Level: -46 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 2946
  • Joined: 2011/12/04 05:26:10
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/06/28 19:24:33 (permalink)
joakes
I have an feeling i get whatever Alex wrote.........., for once.

Personally :

I insert EZ2 as a soft synth, multiple outputs
I move/slide the midi data from the EZ1 folder to the EZ 2 folder and change its target to the EZ2 engine.
I delete the EZ1 folder
I select my EZ2 kit and if neçessary re-assign outputs, as and when i want to
I make music.
Where is the show stopping problem ?

Its a "hassle" sure, but a few clicks.....

Cheers,
Jerry



I am not sure how this helps people who have projects started with EZD1 who have installed EZD2.
 
Perhaps I have missed something.
 
Since Alex has deleted his post, it is always possible that I have.
 
The EZD2 issue has cost me a lot of hassle and time.  I guess I missed the joke..

 Sonar Platinum
#38
bapu
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 86000
  • Joined: 2006/11/25 21:23:28
  • Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/06/28 20:28:17 (permalink)
scook
I believe that link was posted in #2  above


CakeAlexS
I believe that link was posted in #2  above


Yes but in POST #3 the OP says it did not work, without a detailed explanation, and I was pointing it out again in case he did not try the exact scenario.


 
My bad.
 
Or Deja BaVu!
#39
Dave Modisette
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 11050
  • Joined: 2003/11/13 22:12:55
  • Location: Brandon, Florida
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/06/28 21:53:31 (permalink)
joakes
I have an feeling i get whatever Alex wrote.........., for once.

Personally :

I insert EZ2 as a soft synth, multiple outputs
I move/slide the midi data from the EZ1 folder to the EZ 2 folder and change its target to the EZ2 engine.
I delete the EZ1 folder
I select my EZ2 kit and if neçessary re-assign outputs, as and when i want to
I make music.
Where is the show stopping problem ?

Its a "hassle" sure, but a few clicks.....

Cheers,
Jerry

Thank you very much.  This is sort of my point.  
 
 

Dave Modisette ... rocks a Purrrfect Audio Studio Pro rig.

http://www.gatortraks.com 
My music.
... And of course, the Facebook page. 
#40
Dave Modisette
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 11050
  • Joined: 2003/11/13 22:12:55
  • Location: Brandon, Florida
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/06/28 21:55:14 (permalink)
lawp
Sonar doesn't have the ability to swap the number of outs dynamically, no?

Appears that way.

Dave Modisette ... rocks a Purrrfect Audio Studio Pro rig.

http://www.gatortraks.com 
My music.
... And of course, the Facebook page. 
#41
Splat
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 8672
  • Joined: 2010/12/29 15:28:29
  • Location: Mars.
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/06/28 22:51:47 (permalink)
Sorry I wasn't laughing about the issue which of course is important to EZ Drummer users. Rather at a particular statement. Anyway nothing constructive I regret bringing attention and diverting it...Cheers...

Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed.
@48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38.

Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
#42
Splat
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 8672
  • Joined: 2010/12/29 15:28:29
  • Location: Mars.
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/06/29 00:43:06 (permalink)
BTW Joakes workaround seems acceptable to me assuming it works. Wondering of right clicking the synth and replacing it might be slightly quicker though. Anway its not much different than say upgrading from Dim LE to Dim Pro which does not have backwards compatibility either (treated as separate synths for some weird reason).

If it does work I strongly suspect the actual issue to be with Toon's code not taking account of upgrade scenarios.

Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed.
@48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38.

Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
#43
konradh
Max Output Level: -42 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3325
  • Joined: 2006/01/16 16:07:06
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/06/29 14:03:01 (permalink)
Hey, Alex, I knew you weren't laughing at the problem--I'm just trying to keep up here and thought I missed something.  Thanks for all the input and ideas (in this thread and others).

Konrad
Current album and more: http://www.themightykonrad.com/

Sonar X1d Producer. V-Studio 700. PC: Intel i7 CPU 3.07GHz, 12 GB RAM. Win 7 64-bit. RealGuitar, RealStrat, RealLPC, Ivory II, Vienna Symphonic, Hollywood Strings, Electr6ity, Acoustic Legends, FabFour, Scarbee Rick/J-Bass/P-Bass, Kontakt 5. NI Session Guitar. Boldersounds, Noisefirm. EZ Drummer 2. EZ Mix. Melodyne Assist. Guitar Rig 4. Tyros 2, JV-1080, Kurzweil PC2R, TC Helicon VoiceWorks+. Rode NT2a, EV RE20. Presonus Eureka.  Rokit 6s. 
#44
Splat
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 8672
  • Joined: 2010/12/29 15:28:29
  • Location: Mars.
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/06/29 14:21:46 (permalink)
Ah no worries, I though was getting totally carried away and needed to slap myself around the face a little.... :)
Thanks for yours as well..

Cheers...

Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed.
@48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38.

Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
#45
StumpyV
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 16
  • Joined: 2009/10/15 19:26:32
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/07/08 17:08:23 (permalink)
Haven't been on the forum for a couple of weeks and all the information shared is quite informative.  As far as the workaround Jerry suggested, I am not sure that it will fix the main problem I am having and that is that the other softsynths, plugins, vsts or whatever you want to call them become unusable because they don't know which output to use.  As far as dragging the midi from ez1 track to ez2 track does that allow me to edit and add things using ez2?  Though if it is still screwing up all the other plugins I can't see that happening. 
 
Unfortunately the answer for me was to just uninstall ez2 and keep using ez1.  I was hoping that I could install ez2 on an old computer (vista) with an old version of sonar would allow me to create audio files and then import to the win7 computer.  However ez2 is not compatible with vista.
 
Though I can't really afford it right now I would give consideration to upgrading to Sonar x3 if I thought all this could work together but to the best of my understanding the problem would still be the same.
 
As far as Sonar and Toontrack working together I can only quote Rodney King (google it if you are too young to remember this) "can we all get along".
#46
Atsuko
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 365
  • Joined: 2012/09/21 18:17:28
  • Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/07/08 19:01:25 (permalink)
EZ2 is in my wishlist, their site states that the plugin supports Sonar X1 and above.  In my opinion, the responsability of this information is theirs and not Cakewalk's.  It sounds pretty nonsense that they didn't know that EZ1 owners wouldn't have problems with routings, didn't they test it?!  And worse, EZ2 overwrites EZ1... :o((

Desktop Intel I7 12GB RAM Win 10 64bit - Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 2nd gen - Roland A-300 PRO - Yamaha HS50M speakers - Sonar Platinum/CbB - Samplitude Pro X3 - Studio One 4 - Melodyne 4 Studio - Ozone 8 Adv - Neutron 2 Adv - RX7 Adv - ARC2 // Notebook Dell I7 8GB RAM Win 10 64bit
#47
Metalbat
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 48
  • Joined: 2008/11/13 17:07:53
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/07/09 13:23:18 (permalink)
Atsuko
EZ2 is in my wishlist, their site states that the plugin supports Sonar X1 and above.  In my opinion, the responsability of this information is theirs and not Cakewalk's.  It sounds pretty nonsense that they didn't know that EZ1 owners wouldn't have problems with routings, didn't they test it?!  And worse, EZ2 overwrites EZ1... :o((


Last week their site stated the plugin supports Sonar 8.5 and above.
I wonder if next week it will state Plugin supports Sonar X3 or above.
It should state - plugin supports but does not function as advertised in Sonar X1 and above.
Hurrah for Sonar X1 and above. 
Thumbs down for EZ2.
 
 
 

Windows 8.1 64 BIT, Intel Q6600, 4 GIG RAM, Sonar X3 Producer 64 BIT,  Edirol FA-101 Firewire, PCR-800, V-Studio 20
#48
Atsuko
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 365
  • Joined: 2012/09/21 18:17:28
  • Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/07/09 13:53:16 (permalink)
Metalbat
Metalbat
 
Last week their site stated the plugin supports Sonar 8.5 and above.
I wonder if next week it will state Plugin supports Sonar X3 or above.
It should state - plugin supports but does not function as advertised in Sonar X1 and above.
Hurrah for Sonar X1 and above. 
Thumbs down for EZ2.
 

 
Rolling down the EZ2 page, we can see the unsupported hosts with advertisements / requirements; they could've put some advice about the malfunctions to people that has EZ1 installed.  
 
Atsuko

Desktop Intel I7 12GB RAM Win 10 64bit - Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 2nd gen - Roland A-300 PRO - Yamaha HS50M speakers - Sonar Platinum/CbB - Samplitude Pro X3 - Studio One 4 - Melodyne 4 Studio - Ozone 8 Adv - Neutron 2 Adv - RX7 Adv - ARC2 // Notebook Dell I7 8GB RAM Win 10 64bit
#49
Rski
Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 146
  • Joined: 2004/02/13 20:33:56
  • Location: Canada
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/07/09 22:11:27 (permalink)
I just put ez drummer on a few days ago and just in awe with this soft synth. 
 
When I first saw some post a couple of months ago, I was kind of reluctant to try, then I installed the demo then purchased and despite some getting acquainted with what's going on, it works well in all cases.
 
Now the multiple output has some members concerns, my initial observation on multiple output can only be seen on the stand alone app under setting/audio midi set up, then if you navigate to out channels the default set to main out and the multi out is un checked, whether that causes I'm not sure. However, in the host mode (VST 2) under sonar I didn't hunt around enough to see the multiple out puts, yet I know Kontact player does have options for multiple outputs in which I never used.
#50
Dave Modisette
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 11050
  • Joined: 2003/11/13 22:12:55
  • Location: Brandon, Florida
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/07/10 22:53:34 (permalink)
For you users who are waiting for an EZdrummer solution from Toontracks, I checked back with them again on this issue.  Erik of Toontrack asked for some help from Cakewalk back on June 16th.  Cakewalk asked them to try some things from within SONAR.  Since then nothing.

Without Cakewalk's help they cannot find where the problem lies.  SONAR is the only host that has this problem and without some inside information from Cakewalk they are at a stand still at finding a final solution.
 
EDIT:
I need to correct my post regarding the timeline of the contacts with Cakewalk.  TT developers sent emails to CW on May 8th.  This was, as I have been told, two days after the release of EZdrummer 2.  Since then, eight more emails have been sent asking why the problem occurred so that changes in EZD2 may be done in order to accommodate SONAR's behavior.
post edited by Mod Bod - 2014/07/11 10:27:25

Dave Modisette ... rocks a Purrrfect Audio Studio Pro rig.

http://www.gatortraks.com 
My music.
... And of course, the Facebook page. 
#51
Atsuko
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 365
  • Joined: 2012/09/21 18:17:28
  • Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/07/11 11:10:19 (permalink)
Mod Bod
For you users who are waiting for an EZdrummer solution from Toontracks, I checked back with them again on this issue.  Erik of Toontrack asked for some help from Cakewalk back on June 16th.  Cakewalk asked them to try some things from within SONAR.  Since then nothing.

Without Cakewalk's help they cannot find where the problem lies.  SONAR is the only host that has this problem and without some inside information from Cakewalk they are at a stand still at finding a final solution.
 
EDIT:
I need to correct my post regarding the timeline of the contacts with Cakewalk.  TT developers sent emails to CW on May 8th.  This was, as I have been told, two days after the release of EZdrummer 2.  Since then, eight more emails have been sent asking why the problem occurred so that changes in EZD2 may be done in order to accommodate SONAR's behavior.


Hi, Mod,
I don't think it's a good policy to realease a software/plugin, state full compatibility when upgrading from EZ1 and only after that, try to resolve the problems. In my opinion, I cannot sell anything If I cannot garantee what I'm stating is true.  When you scroll down the "Meet your new drummer" page, in the unsupported hosts, you can see statements like this: "Untested, may work", and even so, the table shows the check mark in some functionalities, which seems contraditory...  It doesn't sound good to me, causes a impression of irresponsability...

Desktop Intel I7 12GB RAM Win 10 64bit - Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 2nd gen - Roland A-300 PRO - Yamaha HS50M speakers - Sonar Platinum/CbB - Samplitude Pro X3 - Studio One 4 - Melodyne 4 Studio - Ozone 8 Adv - Neutron 2 Adv - RX7 Adv - ARC2 // Notebook Dell I7 8GB RAM Win 10 64bit
#52
TESLA 82
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 2
  • Joined: 2014/07/11 11:13:37
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/07/11 11:56:03 (permalink)
The fact of the matter is that these two companies are businesses.  
 
EZDrummer 2 is a plugin that requires a host and Toontrack has 10 or so supported hosts, Sonar being one of them.  Therefore this issue has the potential to effect 1/10th of their customers (assuming all hosts are used equally) 
 
I can't even fathom how many sonar users are out there, because lets not forget that Cakewalk is owned by one of the largest audio manufactures in the world, Roland.  Of these hundreds of thousands of users how many of them use EZDrummer 1?  Of these users how many of them use EZDrummer 1 in Multi out?  Of these users how many of them upgraded to EZDrummer 2 and are still working on old projects that use multi out?  My guess is that its is a lot less than 1/10th of their user base.   And finally of this relatively small amount of users, how motivated would sonar be to solve an issue for old versions of their software (something that does not generate revenue?)... Im not saying that they wont, Just that its not likely a high priority to them.
 
With this logic, which company does this impact more from a business standpoint?  Which company would therefore be more motivated to solve the problem? 
 
 
 
post edited by TESLA 82 - 2014/07/11 12:10:55
#53
Dave Modisette
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 11050
  • Joined: 2003/11/13 22:12:55
  • Location: Brandon, Florida
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/07/11 12:12:17 (permalink)
Atsuko
Mod Bod
For you users who are waiting for an EZdrummer solution from Toontracks, I checked back with them again on this issue.  Erik of Toontrack asked for some help from Cakewalk back on June 16th.  Cakewalk asked them to try some things from within SONAR.  Since then nothing.

Without Cakewalk's help they cannot find where the problem lies.  SONAR is the only host that has this problem and without some inside information from Cakewalk they are at a stand still at finding a final solution.
 
EDIT:
I need to correct my post regarding the timeline of the contacts with Cakewalk.  TT developers sent emails to CW on May 8th.  This was, as I have been told, two days after the release of EZdrummer 2.  Since then, eight more emails have been sent asking why the problem occurred so that changes in EZD2 may be done in order to accommodate SONAR's behavior.


Hi, Mod,
I don't think it's a good policy to realease a software/plugin, state full compatibility when upgrading from EZ1 and only after that, try to resolve the problems. In my opinion, I cannot sell anything If I cannot garantee what I'm stating is true.  When you scroll down the "Meet your new drummer" page, in the unsupported hosts, you can see statements like this: "Untested, may work", and even so, the table shows the check mark in some functionalities, which seems contraditory...  It doesn't sound good to me, causes a impression of irresponsability...


If that's the case then maybe Cakewalk should advertise that they aren't fully VST compatible because they don't support dynamic i/o functions between their product and VST plugins?
 
Fact is, Toontrack has the desire and the ability to compensate for one host program if they only knew the secret handshake that Cakewalk requires to get information to and from the plugin.  Now, if a small group of SONAR users want to dig in and support Cakewalk's silence then go ahead.  I'll be using EZdrummer 2 on new SONAR projects as well as projects in Pro Tools 11, Samplitude Pro X, Studio One 2, Reaper and Pro Tools 10 which have formats in RTAS, AAX and VST and all of them don't exhibit this issue.

Or maybe it's as simple as a line of code that says " IF "SONAR user" THEN PRINT "Sorry, SONAR user.  You only get 8 stereo channels.  Buy a different host program for enhanced I/O." 
CALL SHUT_OFF_HALF_THE_CHANNELS_ROUTINE.
 
 

Dave Modisette ... rocks a Purrrfect Audio Studio Pro rig.

http://www.gatortraks.com 
My music.
... And of course, the Facebook page. 
#54
Atsuko
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 365
  • Joined: 2012/09/21 18:17:28
  • Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/07/11 12:25:32 (permalink)
TESLA 82
The fact of the matter is that these two companies are businesses.  
 
EZDrummer 2 is a plugin that requires a host and Toontrack has 10 or so supported hosts, Sonar being one of them.  Therefore this issue has the potential to effect 1/10th of their customers (assuming all hosts are used equally) 
 
I can't even fathom how many sonar users are out there, because lets not forget that Cakewalk is owned by one of the largest audio manufactures in the world, Roland.  Of these hundreds of thousands of users how many of them use EZDrummer 1?  Of these users how many of them use EZDrummer 1 in Multi out?  Of these users how many of them upgraded to EZDrummer 2 and are still working on old projects that use multi out?  My guess is that its is a lot less than 1/10th of their user base.   And finally of this relatively small amount of users, how motivated would sonar be to solve an issue for old versions of their software (something that does not generate revenue?)... Im not saying that they wont, Just that its not likely a high priority to them.
 
With this logic, which company does this impact more from a business stand point?  Which company would therefore be more motivated to solve the problem? 
  


As far as I know, all EZ1 user's that upgraded are having problems, not only with multi outs but with other VST's that are in the project that simply looses setup in Sonar. As a plugin manufacturer, I'd never assume hosts are used equaly but I could accept that I was making something to work just for a few and would put Sonar in the unsupported table list with the "Not tested, may work" information for those who have EZ1 installed.
Another thing I didn't see informed in Toontrack's site is that EZ2 would cover EZ1, at least, it isn't very clear for me. The consumer should have the option to have both installed.  I really don't matter with the motivation of the business's companies, when I'm interested in buying anything I reference myself in the given information about the product to make my decisions, but if the information given is wrong or insufficient?
 
P.S.: Cakewalk is a Gibson company, now.

Desktop Intel I7 12GB RAM Win 10 64bit - Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 2nd gen - Roland A-300 PRO - Yamaha HS50M speakers - Sonar Platinum/CbB - Samplitude Pro X3 - Studio One 4 - Melodyne 4 Studio - Ozone 8 Adv - Neutron 2 Adv - RX7 Adv - ARC2 // Notebook Dell I7 8GB RAM Win 10 64bit
#55
TESLA 82
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 2
  • Joined: 2014/07/11 11:13:37
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/07/11 12:45:23 (permalink)
 
 
#56
Atsuko
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 365
  • Joined: 2012/09/21 18:17:28
  • Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/07/11 12:49:20 (permalink)
Mod Bod
If that's the case then maybe Cakewalk should advertise that they aren't fully VST compatible because they don't support dynamic i/o functions between their product and VST plugins?

I agree with you on this matter.  All the information for the consumers is the best practice.
Mod Bod
Fact is, Toontrack has the desire and the ability to compensate for one host program if they only knew the secret handshake that Cakewalk requires to get information to and from the plugin.  Now, if a small group of SONAR users want to dig in and support Cakewalk's silence then go ahead.  I'll be using EZdrummer 2 on new SONAR projects as well as projects in Pro Tools 11, Samplitude Pro X, Studio One 2, Reaper and Pro Tools 10 which have formats in RTAS, AAX and VST and all of them don't exhibit this issue.

Or maybe it's as simple as a line of code that says " IF "SONAR user" THEN PRINT "Sorry, SONAR user.  You only get 8 stereo channels.  Buy a different host program for enhanced I/O." 
CALL SHUT_OFF_HALF_THE_CHANNELS_ROUTINE.
 

It's not the case of support "silence" of Cakewalk, not me, I'm just questioning information given by Toontracks in their own site. As a consumer, I would feel misguided.  And I wouldn't bother if they really tested and printed this, as you put: " IF "SONAR user" THEN PRINT "Sorry, SONAR user.  You only get 8 stereo channels.  Buy a different host program for enhanced I/O." CALL SHUT_OFF_HALF_THE_CHANNELS_ROUTINE."  And I would add, "OR STAY WITH EZ1".
 
For me, it'd show more responsability with their consumer, specially, EZ1 owners, could have the right information to make their decisions. I really hope all these issues to be solved because I really liked EZ2 features but I'm gonna wait for the resolution.

Desktop Intel I7 12GB RAM Win 10 64bit - Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 2nd gen - Roland A-300 PRO - Yamaha HS50M speakers - Sonar Platinum/CbB - Samplitude Pro X3 - Studio One 4 - Melodyne 4 Studio - Ozone 8 Adv - Neutron 2 Adv - RX7 Adv - ARC2 // Notebook Dell I7 8GB RAM Win 10 64bit
#57
Splat
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 8672
  • Joined: 2010/12/29 15:28:29
  • Location: Mars.
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/07/11 21:45:49 (permalink)
Cakewalk would probably argue no DAW is fully VST compatible. Not that anybody knows what the real isssue is.
 
Regardless I'm probably way off base here but I keep getting the feeling it (now we are talking about multi-outs) might be related to this issue (even though it is completely different we do see issues when using lots of channels):
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Kontakt-Error-in-Sonar-X3E-m3064712.aspx
 
Or it's a problem with EzDrummer source code.
 
There is no use in speculating though, nobody knows the answers (they don't have the source code to look at for either product) so anybody who says they know what the problem is (including me), is probably wildly inaccurate.
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2014/07/11 21:56:29

Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed.
@48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38.

Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
#58
Dave Modisette
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 11050
  • Joined: 2003/11/13 22:12:55
  • Location: Brandon, Florida
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/07/12 09:21:06 (permalink)
You could be right, Alex.  TT has to make special concessions for the I/O names for the SONAR X series so that they show up with some sort of normal naming convention.  For example, the output names in Superior were displaying as expected in SONAR 8 but they didn't make much sense at all in SONAR X3 until this last SD2 update.
 
We can all speculate who, what or why this issue manifested with EZdrummer 2 but I can say without a shadow of a doubt, that Toontrack is actively fixing issues,making improvements to and adding minor features to EZdrummer 2 as I type this message.  They want to do anything they can on their side to help the folks with active legacy EZdrummer 1 projects enjoy the EZD2 product as much as those of us who aren't affected by the input/output shift.  (This isn't a put down - I don't have any active EZdrummer 1 projects in SONAR because all of them are finished and archived and I don't have a need to reload, open them and revisit the projects or I converted them to Superior Drummer projects long ago.)

But until the SONAR community starts letting the CW developers know that they want to use EZdrummer with the same ease as the Pro Tools, Reaper, Cubase, Studio One, Logic and Samplitude users (and others that I have probably missed.)  I dunno, maybe we should send a quarter in an envelope for the call?    Just respond to the email requests from Toontrack for more information

Heck, I'd be ok if it's something that can't be fixed because of legacy compatability in SONAR and we just had to be satisfied with a workaround until X4 addresses the issue.  Just let the users know.
 
 

Dave Modisette ... rocks a Purrrfect Audio Studio Pro rig.

http://www.gatortraks.com 
My music.
... And of course, the Facebook page. 
#59
konradh
Max Output Level: -42 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3325
  • Joined: 2006/01/16 16:07:06
  • Status: offline
Re: ezdrummer2 2014/07/12 14:10:02 (permalink)
My status:  Paid for EZD2, can't use it and had to uninstall it because it corrupted projects, and I am not getting updates from Toontrack.
 
Not good.

Konrad
Current album and more: http://www.themightykonrad.com/

Sonar X1d Producer. V-Studio 700. PC: Intel i7 CPU 3.07GHz, 12 GB RAM. Win 7 64-bit. RealGuitar, RealStrat, RealLPC, Ivory II, Vienna Symphonic, Hollywood Strings, Electr6ity, Acoustic Legends, FabFour, Scarbee Rick/J-Bass/P-Bass, Kontakt 5. NI Session Guitar. Boldersounds, Noisefirm. EZ Drummer 2. EZ Mix. Melodyne Assist. Guitar Rig 4. Tyros 2, JV-1080, Kurzweil PC2R, TC Helicon VoiceWorks+. Rode NT2a, EV RE20. Presonus Eureka.  Rokit 6s. 
#60
Page: < 1234 > Showing page 2 of 4
Jump to:
© 2025 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1