roddey_phipps
Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
- Total Posts : 168
- Joined: 2007/03/19 14:18:02
- Status: offline
midi pickup for guitar into HS6?
This is crazy, but i'm thinking of maybe putting a Midi pickup onto my guitar, straight into the Midi input of my Delta 10/10LT card, create a midi track, and then apply a "bass guitar" sound to it... instead of just playing bass. That would allow me maybe a bunch of other fun sounds to eventually do.
Does anyone here do this, and what would I need to be aware of?
|
8ftsq
Max Output Level: -86 dBFS
- Total Posts : 230
- Joined: 2004/10/29 11:52:36
- Location: New York
- Status: offline
Re:midi pickup for guitar into HS6?
2009/11/10 22:13:04
(permalink)
I've done this to some extent, with mixed results.
You will need a converter of some sort. I use a Brian Moore guitar with a Roland GI-20 midi inteface, via USB. Tracking and glitch/ghost notes are a problem. I have toyed with the midi filter settings, but it's still quirky. For pads, synth chords, and non-percussive stuff it's great. I don't have to learn to play keyboards to get what I want. It actually works pretty good for kick, snare, and high hat programming, but again, you'll have to go back and clean up the tracks in the piano roll. It's hard to play clean, because a lot of the tricks you use to play guitar with feel are a liability with midi guitar. There is the latency factor that you'll need to adapt to also. Depending on your machine, and the synths you have loaded, it can get un-usable.
Overall it's not bad, but mostly a novelty for me due to the drawbacks I mentioned. Axon has a midi converter that is supposed to be fantastic. Much better than the Roland by most accounts, but it's pricey.
Frank
|
daveny5
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 16934
- Joined: 2003/11/06 09:54:36
- Location: North Carolina
- Status: offline
Re:midi pickup for guitar into HS6?
2009/11/10 22:14:47
(permalink)
Just that you need more than just the MIDI pickup. You need the Roland GR20 guitar synth and the pickup. So you're talking about a $700 investment.
Dave Computer: Intel i7, ASROCK H170M, 16GB/5TB+, Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, Sonar Platinum, TASCAM US-16x08, Cakewalk UM-3G MIDI I/F Instruments: SL-880 Keyboard controller, Korg 05R/W, Korg N1R, KORG Wavestation EX Axes: Fender Stratocaster, Line6 Variax 300, Ovation Acoustic, Takamine Nylon Acoustic, Behringer GX212 amp, Shure SM-58 mic, Rode NT1 condenser mic. Outboard: Mackie 1402-VLZ mixer, TC Helicon VoiceLive 2, Digitech Vocalist WS EX, PODXTLive, various stompboxes and stuff. Controllers: Korg nanoKONTROL, Wacom Bamboo Touchpad
|
zungle
Max Output Level: -48 dBFS
- Total Posts : 2745
- Joined: 2006/02/15 13:00:33
- Status: offline
Re:midi pickup for guitar into HS6?
2009/11/10 22:41:51
(permalink)
Why not play the part with your guitar and then re-amp with a bass plug in?
|
jhughs
Max Output Level: -67 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1179
- Joined: 2007/11/23 13:58:23
- Location: Naperville, IL
- Status: offline
Re:midi pickup for guitar into HS6?
2009/11/10 23:42:49
(permalink)
Sounding like it'd be easier just to get a bass, or just get a MIDI controller with and keyboard the bass line in. I'd expect it'd be a fairly sophisticated rig to convert guitar to MIDI.... which explains how Dave gets to $700.
ASUS P5ND/Intel E8500, Line6 Toneport UX2/PODFarm, Sonar, Axiom 25, Blue Bluebird, Audio-Technica AT3035s, Blue Snowflake, Line6 Spider IV 150 & AMPLIFI, Crate 1 J Hughs Soundclick
|
zungle
Max Output Level: -48 dBFS
- Total Posts : 2745
- Joined: 2006/02/15 13:00:33
- Status: offline
Re:midi pickup for guitar into HS6?
2009/11/11 00:11:46
(permalink)
|
CJaysMusic
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 30423
- Joined: 2006/10/28 01:51:41
- Location: Miami - Fort Lauderdale - Davie
- Status: offline
Re:midi pickup for guitar into HS6?
2009/11/11 08:13:15
(permalink)
If home studio has a way to convert audio to midi, you wont need any midi guitar device. If not, an upgrade to soanr producer is allot cheaper than $700 and soanr producer has a few things that can convert audio to midi and it does it great.
Cj
|
roddey_phipps
Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
- Total Posts : 168
- Joined: 2007/03/19 14:18:02
- Status: offline
Re:midi pickup for guitar into HS6?
2009/11/11 09:25:28
(permalink)
i think just buying a bass would be easier. thanks for all the replies. I also found a sort of workaround for the moment, I play guitar thru my mixer and onto a track, then apply three FXs: FreeAmp, which has a few OK sort of bass amp emulators, and a pitchshifter, down 12 semi-tones, and some EQ. It aint Stanley Clarke but for now, it will do.
|
Mr.Grumpy
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4
- Joined: 2009/10/28 12:45:32
- Status: offline
Re:midi pickup for guitar into HS6?
2009/11/11 10:50:58
(permalink)
Just throwing out a quick suggestion if you decide to go with a "real" bass guitar.
I just bought a Behringer BDI21 bass guitar amp simulator/DI box. Basically it's a DI box with a bass amp simulator built in. It sounds great: nice, full, round tone, and seems to give some compression to the signal, which is nice on bass. Great tool for recording bass, IMO, and it only cost $30... Combine this with a $100 bass guitar and you're good to go.
|
roddey_phipps
Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
- Total Posts : 168
- Joined: 2007/03/19 14:18:02
- Status: offline
Re:midi pickup for guitar into HS6?
2009/11/11 17:05:25
(permalink)
i bought a little 100 dollar short scale jazz bass on ebay just now.. I dont know if it will be any good or not... i've got a small 10 watt GK combo bass with a direct out. thats how i recorded our bass player previously, seemed to be fine. I used to play bass in bands.. twenty years ago. I went to guitar center to try some basses and I was shocked at how badly I played. Maybe the short scale will help
|
CJaysMusic
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 30423
- Joined: 2006/10/28 01:51:41
- Location: Miami - Fort Lauderdale - Davie
- Status: offline
Re:midi pickup for guitar into HS6?
2009/11/11 18:11:50
(permalink)
think just buying a bass would be easier. thanks for all the replies It always is, especially when you want bass sounds. A bass would be my first thought. You'll never get the sound of a real bass, that youll get from midi bass sounds. There is nothing like the Real The nuances alone would be very noticeable
|