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Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
After reading a bunch of threads of late about all the bugs, problems and difficulties people have with Sonar, it's a wonder that Cake hasn't just closed up shop and gone home a failure. At least if you weigh one side of the equation. But I think it might be very illuminating to look for minute at the other one - you know, those folks that seem to get by just fine with Sonar and have for years, in spite of the various bugs, glitches and other unexpected features of everybody's favorite DAW. In my observation, this isn't exactly a group of ne'er-do-wells who casually use the software for occasional amusement, but some of the most serious and successful users among this forum's members. Some of are optimistic about it all, some a little ambivalent, in a Zen sort of way perhaps, and some are decidedly critical of Sonar, but still continue to use it as their DAW of choice, some for some pretty decent work. I get the feeling that there are guys here that get paid to use Sonar on occasion  ... What I'm wondering is this: what do the successful users of Sonar have in common? I have seen critics dismiss some of the posters here as fanboys who are somehow in league with Cake to foist a bad product on the world. But not everybody who gets it done - chooses to get it done - with Sonar is necessarily all that much of a sunshine pumper. Some almost have reputations as ornery curmudgeons about it, but they've been here for a long time and don't seem poised to make any switch, and just keep doing their thing - with Cakewalk stuff. What's the magic pill here? How do some people do so well with Sonar, while it is just frustration and tribulation for others? What's the common ingredient? I mean, we're all using the same software here. Is there something that would help mor epeople have a good experience? I have some thoughts on it, but I don't have nearly the skill or experience either with Sonar or helping people here that some of you do, so I'd like to hang up and listen for a bit....
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 03:43:55
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I don't know about others, but I've been using Sonar (and Pro Audio and Cakewalk for DOS) since 1991. I've produced 11 albums and 7 symphonic works with their products, and many commercial works for soundtracks. I am expert at troubleshooting and a classically-trained composer and orchestrator. I know my craft well, which helps a lot. I am incredibly persistent, which also helps. Another thing that helps is that my DAW has no internet access, no games, nothing but what I need to produce music. That also helps. I've complained about the staff view, where I spend most of my composing time, for years. The staff view cannot display 64th notes or 32nd note triplets or tied or dotted triplets. I don't use X1, I use Sonar 7 in 64-bit mode with Win 7, 64 bit, because X1d has new staff view bugs that degrade it further. Thinking the grass is greener on the other side, I downloaded Cubase 6.5 yesterday and spent 12 hours with it. Cubase's notation editor does looks a little better and it displays 64th notes fine. But I did have trouble with tied and dotted triplets with Cubase, not sure if its because I didn't know what I was doing or if the program wasn't handling these well, or both. But then I found a serious bug when exporting a wave file, the first half second of the file gets cut off, which pretty much ended my enthusiams for Cubase. So, now I look at Sonar 7 with some gratitude. It does so many things so well, in fact, flawlessly. I wish the programmers were not under such pressure by management to get product out so quickly. I wish they'd produce a product with far fewer bugs. But every DAW has bugs. I can live with the staff view bugs for the simple reason is that they have no effect on sound: the 64th notes, the tied and dotted triplets all play back flawlessly, they just don't look very good on the screen. So I can live with that and focus on composing and producing. Nothing and no one is perfect on this planet. I get sick of complaining about the long-standing bugs, but obviously Cakewalk has other priorities. So, learn how to troubleshoot and know your craft, find workarounds and ask yourself if the particular bug you're dealing with is really stopping you from creating music and recording music. If it is, you have to report it and/or switch programs. If not, learn to live with it and move foward in your creativity. Jerry Gerber www.jerrygerber.com
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 04:00:43
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I thought X1 was okay, until i tried the Studio One demo yesterday. now i am like: why doesn't cake fix their audio engine to compete with for example S1 but instead create stuff like new pro chanel modules!? I honestly don't get it.
A session with X1: bugs and timing problems.
A session with the S1 demo: no problems at all.
@ cake: fix this!!!
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 04:01:37
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Michael Five
After reading a bunch of threads of late about all the bugs, problems and difficulties people have with Sonar, it's a wonder that Cake hasn't just closed up shop and gone home a failure.
At least if you weigh one side of the equation. But I think it might be very illuminating to look for minute at the other one - you know, those folks that seem to get by just fine with Sonar and have for years, in spite of the various bugs, glitches and other unexpected features of everybody's favorite DAW. In my observation, this isn't exactly a group of ne'er-do-wells who casually use the software for occasional amusement, but some of the most serious and successful users among this forum's members.
Some of are optimistic about it all, some a little ambivalent, in a Zen sort of way perhaps, and some are decidedly critical of Sonar, but still continue to use it as their DAW of choice, some for some pretty decent work. I get the feeling that there are guys here that get paid to use Sonar on occasion ...
What I'm wondering is this: what do the successful users of Sonar have in common? I have seen critics dismiss some of the posters here as fanboys who are somehow in league with Cake to foist a bad product on the world. But not everybody who gets it done - chooses to get it done - with Sonar is necessarily all that much of a sunshine pumper. Some almost have reputations as ornery curmudgeons about it, but they've been here for a long time and don't seem poised to make any switch, and just keep doing their thing - with Cakewalk stuff.
What's the magic pill here? How do some people do so well with Sonar, while it is just frustration and tribulation for others? What's the common ingredient? I mean, we're all using the same software here. Is there something that would help mor epeople have a good experience? I have some thoughts on it, but I don't have nearly the skill or experience either with Sonar or helping people here that some of you do, so I'd like to hang up and listen for a bit....
Wonderful post. I have specific situation that I think is illustrative of one group that complains a lot. This is the infamous PC click on it twice bug. I never ran across this bug because I never double clicked on it at a certain spot. To me the work around is don't do that! Report it and ask others to confirm it but once you find it a problem what on earth is the point of doing that action over again. It is not going to do anything but crash so its like the guy that does the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 04:08:48
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Well said Jerry.
I've always used several programs to get the job done.
Since Cakewalk 7, X1 is the only version to have stopped me in my tracks. Pun intended. It wasn't till X1C that it became useable again (for me) and I'm back to using SONAR as my main DAW.
My circumstances have changed now though, with retirement forced on me due to health problems but I think if I was still working I'd have come back anyway.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 04:55:50
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I've used Sonar for about 6 years now. 6 months on X1 Producer Expanded, around 2 years on 8/8.5, and an LE version I got free prior to that.
I've never experienced any issues whatsoever that I would attribute to Sonar directly, apart from the out of time metronome in X1 that is now fixed.
Issues I have had all relate to Presonus ****ty drivers and the wrapping of 32 bit plugs as far as I can tell.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 09:00:17
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I'm sure my "Magic Pill" has to do with my usage of Cakewalk in that I tend to create and produce generally Rock music, not of any particular sub genre since it can range from very mellow soft rock to sometimes the heaviest of heavy metal, but it tends to be at least 75% audio and 25% MIDI, and while I do use most of the tools I'm provided with, my use could still be considered pretty simple in nature. Like several examples above, I've tried out several other DAW programs, but have always come back to Sonar after realizing that, for my usage, there just don't seem to be any game stoppers, any tasks I can't get done with the tools I already know intimately. I've already invested many hours with Sonar, learning and relearning ways of doing things when they have changed as versions change. I'm still learning things each day that make the task of making music easier. But long ag I decided I would not give up on a product quickly like I see others do. I see many switch plugins like they do cloths and I wonder if they ever really learned all the capabilities of any given product before moving on to another. don't get me wrong - I have the "new shiney" weakness that many suffer from and will buy something that catches my eye every now and again (drum libraries are a weak point for me as I see percussion as the spice of life, musically speaking that is  ), but it seems some are too quick to give up and move on (well within their rights mind you). I'm not a fanboi to the point where I care what any other person uses to make music - more power to you if finances allow you to own each and every tool ever made. I'm also not beholden to any particular version, I've found things I've liked and disliked in every piece of software I've used. I accept that ALL software has bugs, ALL software can't be tested with every users hardware configuration, sometimes what I think is a bug in the software might simply be my configuration. Fortunately I've spent the greater part of my adult life supporting IT in one way or another and consider myself accomplished at troubleshooting computer issues - I can narrow down possible problems and I'm patient enough to work things through, to use technical support available, to do endless internet searches and to uninstall/reinstall, backup/restore when needed. But I also understand that others can't or won't - they want a product to work and that's the bottom line. So to summarize, my "Magic Pill" probably has much to do with how I use Sonar and the fact that it seems to work well for my usages, and probably quite a bit because of my personality and desire to fully understand a product before giving up on it and I can honestly say I'm still learning Sonar years after having first purchased it. As always, individual mileage may vary.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 09:51:49
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I never ran across this bug because I never double clicked on it at a certain spot. To me the work around is don't do that! LOL! "Doctor, it hurts when I do this!" "Don't do that!"
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 09:53:14
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FWIW, I was introduced to PA9 when I was first approached about engineering for a blind producer in my area. I am first and foremost a musician that is interested in the technical side of making music. Thru the years working for various clients, I have used just about every version of Cake since. While it is an absolute must to use Pro Tools sometimes, I have always found myself with a better experience in Cake products. When I decided to set up my own workspace in my house I immediately purchased Sonar 8.5. I just happened to get in on the X1 deal. I have to say X1 was a dog when it first was released in some ways. But I am tenacious when it comes to working thru those problems myself until it is fixed. I am thankful to say I have had the known problems that everyone else has had but I did not go back to the older versions. I either found a workaround or just sat tight until they came out with a patch fix.
While every DAW has it's problems I must say that I am more than pleased with Sonar. I don't think you will find another product that gives you as many qaulity tools to start work right out of the box at this price. While we can disagree til the sun goes down on performance there are many of us here who are much better musicians and technicians than we would have ever been without Cake! Not a fanboy! Just a happy customer!
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 10:17:05
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I liked the way your post is free from some of the hysteria that often becomes apparent when trying to make considered evaluations of this topic so I will attemt to answer in kind.
I've used and continue to use Sonar effectively and have done for some time, I've got used to performing plenty of workarounds in that time and there is very little that will stop me or get in the way of what I want to do.
I also use a number of competing products, and while no single one covers all bases I'm quite content performing many tasks within Sonar. The thing that always strikes me WRT to Sonar and competeing products is that looking at them without any bias or vested interest the quality of those products seems to be far greater in respect of random glitchy weirdness ness and minor annoyances more things are accomplished by following the instructions as laid out in the manual with less need for finding a kludgy workaround.
The other thing I have noted is that whilst I was on the regular update cycle I got fed up with paying for maintenance updates regularly only to find some issues migrating from version to version without any attention and yet new developements come out for it where I'm expected to pay a premium for those while many functions remain weak, badly implemented or plain broken.
Problems are reported, acknowledged and very often forgotten about after that leaving no further recourse than to put up with it or continue to highlight those issues here.
I decided to get off the upgrade path at 8.5 until several of the issues I currently have relating to rewire, staff view, envelope weirdness and a sundry assortment of little bugs. I even lowered the bar on my expectations of what would need to be fixed in order to prompt me parting with my cash to purchase an uprgrade, those things still remain unaddressed.
I come here and learn that many of the issues I had in version 7 still exist, I also now hang around the places where my competing products come from, bear in mind I'd never bothered looking elsewhere until the X1 release debacle, in those places I see many characters that used to be resident here citing long-standing bugs remaining unaddressed as being among the main reasons they jumped ship.
I'd say that the quality issues regarding Sonar need as much emphasis as marketing currently gets moving forward as I believe that justifiably happy customers are the best sales force any company can have.
I do hope it happens as I still believe that Sonar is one of the most creative DAW's on the market.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 10:18:57
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It’s a good question.
I think there are two “magic pills”, as it happens. One of them, unfortunately, can be a bit of a drag.
To deal with that one first, it’s simply that as an audio engineer, you have to get competent at setting up and maintaining your gear. This used to mean maintaining tape machines, or being willing to take a soldering iron to your mixer or whatever. These days, it increasingly means learning to deal with computers, in a deeper-than-most way.
It’s not necessarily all that hard, but there’s not really any getting around it right now. You’re not using computers in a plug and play, consumer-level way, so you’re going to have more to deal with than that kind of user. Things are getting better on this front, and a Windows-based music PC is a far less troublesome beast than it was a decade ago, but I doubt it will ever be an entirely smooth ride. It’s a bit too niche and specialist to ever really get that way.
The other magic pill, fortunately, is something that absolutely any body can start doing right now, should they choose to. And that’s developing a mindset that you’re going to get things done no matter what.
I think I’ve mentioned this before, but one of the best things I was taught when I did a sound engineering course many years ago was nothing specific to the craft itself. It was broadly this: “Engineering is problem solving. Start every session assuming that there will be problems, that things will be broken, and that the work environment will almost always be sub-optimal in some way. And get it done anyway”.
That, I think, was worth as much as the rest of the course put together.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 10:55:19
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I agree with John T, that you will always have to find a way to get things done.
Might take longer, but at the end of the day the job needs to be done and the client happy.
I've been using X1 since X1c (I think) with growing ease. I've had crashes due to old Voxengo plugs, and the new Slate VCC stuff crashes out Sonar on project open at times. Nothing that's a show-stopper.
However, having said that, there is the one bug in X1d that simply makes me super cautious about X1 and Cakewalk in general. The time-based plugin issue when doing fast freezing. The FX aren't applied. I use clip based melodyne fx on almost every session, and having to do real-time bounce-to-track and whatnot is truly affecting my workflow. But that's more-or-less ok since I can do that workaround. It's just that Cake never announced this issue and I only know about it cause I came on here asking. Makes me wonder what other plugins have issues...
I'm kinda open to other options as far as DAW software moreso now because this is a time-killer for me and it was a bit of a mind-f*ck when I was realizing that a lot of subtle melodyne edits I was wasting time on were not actually being applied as they used to be. I sound like a whiner I'm sure, but I'm allowed to have my opinion ;)
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 11:49:41
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A DAW has to be many things to many different users all with their own separate intent. The user base here is made up of some professional mixers, traditional writers, musicians, hobbyists, software developers, dance club songwriters not to mention musical interests across all music genres. Each one approaches the software with a certain mind set which is aligned with some but at odds with others.
The beat loop crowd is going to rely heavily on plug ins which is where you will run into compatibility issues sooner. If you are pushing the limits of technology, technology with let you know you've exceeded the boundaries. If you enter an Indy race with a Volkswagen for an engine you're probably going to breakdown. The same for users trying to push the software on yer average college laptop. Not dinging anyone for trying but some hardware or conditions i.e. not dedicating your machine for one purpose, especially with music, is a recipe for frustration.
Are there bugs in Sonar X1, sure thing. There are bugs in Protools, Cubase, & Logic. The differences don't necessarily make one better than the other but depending on how you like to make music or how you relate to software, one might be better than the other for your purposes. I've used Cakewalk products for over 12 years for game software production and my own musical musings. There is only one version that caused me considerable angst which was Sonar 6.5. X1, the latest version has been smooth sailing. I record more traditional music so the DAW is primarily a tape machine. I use minimal plugins. Not because I don't have the horsepower, just because it reduces variables later in the mix.
It always surprises me after Sonar releases a new version, how many people crawl the software looking for bugs. Things I never utilize get flushed out almost immediately so it speaks to the variety of ways people approach software. Also that there is a jealousy factor or just a scrutiny factor that competitive software developers have which reveals itself during these times. Interesting phenomenon.
I've put a lot of hours on X1 with almost no issues.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 12:22:56
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@OP - Interesting and entertaining read. Well done.
I think John T. summed it up well for me.
Have a solid and well maintained PC and a soundcard with a good reputation for solid drivers. Learn Sonar, take an interest in picking up techniques, setups that allow you to do what you need to do.
I have been impressed with Sonar since I got on board at V3. Never ever have I not been able to do what I need to do, and most times what I want to do. Keeping my computer optimized was the key, Sonar has always made a stable platform for me to get the music out. Now with faster computers, more sonar options, it's only getting easier.
If you notice, the naysayers or the people that have weird problems with the core use of sonar - are usually repeat problem reporters. The root of their issues is more than likely equipment or other related software conflicts. I'm of the belief that all of the daw offerings are so advanced that I could keep getting my projects done regardless of which one I have/use. Because... I keep my pc healthy.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 12:26:39
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cyphersuit
I thought X1 was okay, until i tried the Studio One demo yesterday. now i am like: why doesn't cake fix their audio engine to compete with for example S1 but instead create stuff like new pro chanel modules!? I honestly don't get it.
A session with X1: bugs and timing problems.
A session with the S1 demo: no problems at all.
@ cake: fix this!!!
Get Studio One. You apparently will love it. I don't know the bugs or timing problems you're speaking of... I don't have those. ?? The prochannel in my opinion is genius and for it to be ridiculed is not logical to me. It's a game changer of top-shelf tools at my fingertips per track/buss for pennies on the dollar. I am thankful for this and couldn't be dragged to another daw right now.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 12:28:58
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Nothing wrong per se with being a repeat problem reporter. I've put in plenty of bugs and many more feature requests since X1 came out. But what I do is put the report in and then get on with what I was doing.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 13:46:49
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John T
Nothing wrong per se with being a repeat problem reporter. I've put in plenty of bugs and many more feature requests since X1 came out. But what I do is put the report in and then get on with what I was doing.
That's the problem when I generalize - I really wasn't wanting to throw everyone into the same pile. I get it that some people will run into different problems and they may experience several instances that may be the software's fault. My point was that there does appear to be some easily excitable folks that claim bug as the first reaction to a something not going well on their setup.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 14:00:06
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Yeah. It simply isn't that buggy. I think it's is true that Sonar is a bit less plug and play than some of the competition, mind you, and I think cakewalk could gain a lot from addressing that a bit more.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 14:13:17
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I think it's is true that Sonar is a bit less plug and play than some of the competition, mind you, and I think cakewalk could gain a lot from addressing that a bit more. Yeah... that is true. I like SONAR as much as the next guy - except for FBB - but it seems that there is more potential for install/setup issues than some other DAWs. I've been lucky in that regard all along, but when one has been reading these forums as long as I have, it's hard not to notice. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that I remain firmly in the "works well for me" camp because I like it here. 
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 14:24:24
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cyphersuit
I honestly don't get it.
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Obviously. No magic Pill? Then don't hijack the thread.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 14:38:30
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I certainly do appreciate hearing about problems - in most cases, I haven't stepped in the pile, and when I walk up to it, I recognize it and figure path B. Additionally, I appreciate that it has been found and reported. I have often wondered why certain folks bring up things over and over, and not all folks - so this is interesting to me.
My magic pill - might be called "right brain prepared" and that certainly overgeneralizes the idea.. I rarely sit in my studio to engineer, it thats what one would loosely call what I do. I sit down to create, to learn, to insire and be inspired. I use Sonar to capture the created and share it with others (I am kind of a show off truth be told). I look forward to that part of the day where I can express myself, get lost in music and absoultely rejoice in the ability to do so. I do it without many state of the art instruments - maybe a guitar, bass, drums, keys, fiddle, pedal steel, maybe singing - all old school voices. When creating music, if I hit a glitch in software that no one else has found, I get a kick out of figuring out path B. When it comes to creating - I know I am better than any software can be - and a few seconds in an all day session is like a match compared to the sun to me. When I buy something new for the studio, I want to know everything I can about - so that I don't frustrate those who are more left brain prepared - the ones who must do things in order and step by step. I love that they lock onto things - many times in the course of creation, I forget and its my trusty left brain thinking buddy that remembers.
A few thoughts anyway..
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 15:02:53
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cyphersuit
I thought X1 was okay, until i tried the Studio One demo yesterday. now i am like: why doesn't cake fix their audio engine to compete with for example S1 but instead create stuff like new pro chanel modules!? I honestly don't get it.
A session with X1: bugs and timing problems.
A session with the S1 demo: no problems at all.
@ cake: fix this!!!
Interesting! Perhaps you simply haven't run across them yet. Below is a list if bug fixes in Studio One 2. The 2.0.5 update fixes the following issues: • Event FX delay compensation fixed • Had multiple crossfades when comping within the same time range • Take selection did not respect event resize • Folders for Universal Audio UAD plug-in preset-sorting was incorrect • Problems with missing file dialog • Wrong event size in Audio parts after changing tempo • Split Events moved new event to back • Event FX freeze moved the event out of an Audio part • Keyboard shortcut for “Remove Track and Instrument” didn’t work • Audition of moved notes in Editor was not using note velocity • Layer change while recording created doubled events • Crashed using audio interfaces with only a mono input (e.g., Apogee One) • Event FX restore had wrong length • FX channel was not mapped to bus when “Add Bus for selected channels” was used • Stretch event state was not saved with Audio loop • Problem with mute-automation writing on grouped tracks • Controller recording with VST3 version of VSL plug-in could not be recorded on multiple channels • Move to Cursor removed shared copy of Instrument part • Bend marker did not hold position when it was moved toward its original position • Invisible bend marker was used for Tab to Transients (not used now) • Old loop range was not restored after auditioning range on a layer • SFZ files were copied to media folder (now are not copied) • IR Maker: Displayed wrong default IR Length • Gate: Release time was not restored • Impact: Sync mode and transpose issues • There was no real-time Image Export in Project page • Save was not enabled when volume was adjusted in Project page • [Windows®] Sample-rate change was not working correctly for Focusrite Sapphire interfaces • [Mac® OS X] Dynamics-processing graph had the wrong popup-menu placement on a second monitor screen • [Mac OS X] Some AU plug-in parameters could not be used with automation • [Mac OS X] 64-bit VST plug-ins made with JUCE had gray GUI (e.g., Blue Cat Audio or Cytomic Glue) • [Mac OS X] When restoring Transform event to original, AU plug-in settings were not restored.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 15:28:08
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I think JohnT got it for me. Sometimes if something went a little awry for me here I just researched for a workaround, submitted problem report and just went at it. None of my issues were ever 'show-stoppers' for me.... Dang double negative.... 
post edited by trimph1 - 2012/04/17 16:20:06
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 16:02:36
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If you've been on this forum long enough then you realise not everything is black and white when it comes down to issues or non-issues, workarounds or just getting on with it. It all comes out in the wash.
Most people who post just want some help, or reassurance or just to vent. I'm not sure why this bothers other posters. It's not like they own Cakewalk shares and it's costing them if someone isn't having a great experience.
While you ask the question - How do some people do so well with Sonar, while it is just frustration and tribulation for others? You could also ask why people do so well with other DAWs using exactly the same system they tried to run Sonar on, without the frustration and tribulation.
I've known people on here try other DAWs and have bad experiences but those problems are not experienced by long time users of those products. It's the weird world of PCs and software and hardware and user error.
We do use the same software but there are a lot of variables after that.
I've got two things that no one else has got wrong with theirs to my knowledge. Strange but true.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 16:09:44
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I'm not here to be vented at, that's my objection.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 16:21:41
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I don't mind the venting except when threads get totally hijacked. When i see threads that are likely to be pure whining based on the title, i know i have the option to avoid. It's when something completely unrelated is being discussed and one or two people will hit almost every thread to complain about their pet issue. I do understand their frustration, but forcing a topic down people's throats goes past the point of rudeness. We all have had issues with functionality,bugs etc but the vast majority of us don't feel compelled to take that topic to every topic that is posted. At the end of the day, i always have the option of simply exiting out of those threads.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 16:26:38
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I don't think we're actually...er..."here"...until we...you know...post or respond. You're only the "at" if you place yourself directly in front of the "venter". HTH.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 16:26:45
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I don't mind the venting except when threads get totally hijacked. When i see threads that are likely to be pure whining based on the title, i know i have the option to avoid. It's when something completely unrelated is being discussed and one or two people will hit almost every thread to complain about their pet issue. I do understand their frustration, but forcing a topic down people's throats goes past the point of rudeness. We all have had issues with functionality,bugs etc but the vast majority of us don't feel compelled to take that topic to every topic that is posted. At the end of the day, i always have the option of simply exiting out of those threads.
That is a very good point. I don't mind venting either when its directed at a thing and not a person. We all vent even if we are unaware of it. This thread is prime for venting. LOL
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 16:55:04
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Most people who post just want some help, or reassurance or just to vent. I'm not sure why this bothers other posters. It's not like they own Cakewalk shares and it's costing them if someone isn't having a great experience.
I recently said in another thread that I'm all for people posting about their problems, bumping threads, creating a second, third, ... thread if needed to get a problem resolved if an issue goes on and gets forgotten, my only personal dislike is when those with lasting problems, or in some cases just don't like a feature or behavior, take every opportunity in another users thread, in which they are seeking assistance on a possible unrelated issue, to remind the community of their issue, or feelings, on something. If it is still an issue, feel free to post a thread with your problem, bump a thread you may have made previously, even a rant thread clearly stating your dislike of a feature where others can either agree or disagree, but don't drag down someone else's request for help with the result being further confusion of their issue or worse just detracting from genuine attempts to assist. As always individual mileage may vary - these are all just my opinions and as you stated I don't own stock in Cakewalk, but I do think the technical support forums should be as helpful as they can.
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Re:Sonar bugs, complaints, and complainers - a question?
2012/04/17 17:10:10
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strikinglyhandsome1
Most people who post just want some help, or reassurance or just to vent. I'm not sure why this bothers other posters. It's not like they own Cakewalk shares and it's costing them if someone isn't having a great experience.
I recently said in another thread that I'm all for people posting about their problems, bumping threads, creating a second, third, ... thread if needed to get a problem resolved if an issue goes on and gets forgotten, my only personal dislike is when those with lasting problems, or in some cases just don't like a feature or behavior, take every opportunity in another users thread, in which they are seeking assistance on a possible unrelated issue, to remind the community of their issue, or feelings, on something. If it is still an issue, feel free to post a thread with your problem, bump a thread you may have made previously, even a rant thread clearly stating your dislike of a feature where others can either agree or disagree, but don't drag down someone else's request for help with the result being further confusion of their issue or worse just detracting from genuine attempts to assist.
As always individual mileage may vary - these are all just my opinions and as you stated I don't own stock in Cakewalk, but I do think the technical support forums should be as helpful as they can.
Oh, like this guy?: http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2549529
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