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Reached the End
I began my journey with Cakewalk products around 12 years ago by purchasing Guitar Tracks Pro at a local Guitar Center. The rewards of that modest purchase were immense as I was immediately able to create in an environment that was highly intuitive and feature-packed. The support was exemplary when issues arose and all the technical folks with whom I interacted were helpful, knowledgeable, and oriented towards solution-based conversations. When I couldn't retrieve a stored product code due to a hard drive crash, one guy asked me to email him a photograph of the CD-ROM from my original purchase, and from that method of authentication we proceeded to address and correct the issues. Awesome.
I stayed on the email notification list and kept a close watch for upgrades, and as they became available I progressed through Sonar Home Studio with the XL pack, and then to Sonar X2 Studio in 2013. Each new version offered a host of cool features that helped me grow my capabilities and produce some pretty cool projects. I am certain that this sounds dated and quaint to those who choose and are able to remain on the cutting edge of software development, and I realize that much has been developed since my last purchase.
My difficulty lies in the path of planned obsolescence down which Cakewalk has led me and probably many others. X2 mysteriously disappeared from the list of supported products very quickly after I was offered and purchased the upgrade. I had compatibility issues between the upgrade and the old stuff and was unable to contact support to correct these issues. Forums provide some general answers, but my specific inquiries were left unanswered. To further compound my situation, I recently upgraded my computer's OS to Windows 10, and now all hope for support has evaporated. The support page states that since my Cakewalk software was developed before Windows 10, there is no way for their developers to support it. Wow. Line 6 and M-Audio have already been able to make their products function perfectly in Windows 10 on my system and these products were purchased years before X2.
I feel that I have been led to a dead end by Cakewalk's marketing strategies and I also believe that I am not alone. Throwing out affordable though soon-to-be-obsolete upgrades has undoubtedly been lucrative. The new "Rolling Upgrade" system is a fun concept, but useless to anyone that is at my stage in the game since my product has been intentionally cast aside. My main question: Does a user of X2 Studio have an upgrade option, in Windows 10, without starting over from a new version, or is your strategy to offer only new products and abandon the affordable upgrade programs from past years?
A reply from Cakewalk would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
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Hello Latest version of Sonar supports Windows 10 and any devices that support windows 10. Before you upgraded you need to check your devices are Win10 compatible. If your device is not Win10 compatible, or does not work for some reason, raise it with the manufacturer, it is not a Cakewalk issue, the buck stops with you to make sure your devices are compatible and working. BTW If you change DAWs you are likely to get similar issues. If you have specific issues with X2A you could post in the forums, ideally one thread per issue to keep it simple. X2 should work on Windows 10 but Cakewalk has never specified it is fully Win10 compatible, you need to upgrade to latest Sonar for that. Note the final service pack for X2 was X2A. X2 is about 3.5 years old.l, don't expect much support for a legacy product. Also note during this time Cakewalk was under Roland, it is now under Gibson. Most of us are pretty happy with Platinum, if you aren't happy with the product before you've even used it I suggest you find alternative solutions if you decide to upgrade. You can also roll back your operating system or ask for help in the the forums to see if we can get you working. If you've already posted please point to your specific threads. I take issue with the phrase 'planned obselense', Windows 10 was not out when X2A came out, you read the OS specifications, and it's a given that support would run out in a year. Your scenario seems to be that you have paid for a fully featured DAW, expect it to be supported 3.5 years later, have already taken advantage of support (considerably), expected it to still be supported when you upgrade your operating system many years later (changed the goalposts yourself), and then consider yourself have been ripped off afterwards after plopping Sonar in a different environment (how much did you pay for it?).. I suspect you should review your own opinion. With Sonar Platinum there is a monthly cycle, the software will never be obsolite. If you buy 12 months you get to keep it. So get your wallet out or stick with what you have (roll back/restore from backup/try and get it working/whatever), your choice. Otherwise reduce your expectations or change your DAW, which will also perform under similar parameters. BTW Sonar Platinum will open X2 projects, there is your upgrade option. Thanks... p.s. You state you have done posts before here, however this appears to be your first post in the forums. I question why you are creating a new user account for this, and not understanding why you are posting in the feature and request forum.
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Re: Reached the End
September 14, 15 10:33 AM
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche September 14, 15 3:34 PM
Come on Alex, cut the guy some slack. If you read his info you'd have seen he's only 4 years old. Kudos to the little chap for figuring out how a computer works.
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Re: Reached the End
September 14, 15 12:02 AM
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche September 14, 15 3:35 PM
boolee54
I began my journey with Cakewalk products around 12 years ago by purchasing Guitar Tracks Pro at a local Guitar Center. The rewards of that modest purchase were immense as I was immediately able to create in an environment that was highly intuitive and feature-packed. The support was exemplary when issues arose and all the technical folks with whom I interacted were helpful, knowledgeable, and oriented towards solution-based conversations. When I couldn't retrieve a stored product code due to a hard drive crash, one guy asked me to email him a photograph of the CD-ROM from my original purchase, and from that method of authentication we proceeded to address and correct the issues. Awesome.
I stayed on the email notification list and kept a close watch for upgrades, and as they became available I progressed through Sonar Home Studio with the XL pack, and then to Sonar X2 Studio in 2013. Each new version offered a host of cool features that helped me grow my capabilities and produce some pretty cool projects. I am certain that this sounds dated and quaint to those who choose and are able to remain on the cutting edge of software development, and I realize that much has been developed since my last purchase.
My difficulty lies in the path of planned obsolescence down which Cakewalk has led me and probably many others. X2 mysteriously disappeared from the list of supported products very quickly after I was offered and purchased the upgrade. I had compatibility issues between the upgrade and the old stuff and was unable to contact support to correct these issues. Forums provide some general answers, but my specific inquiries were left unanswered. To further compound my situation, I recently upgraded my computer's OS to Windows 10, and now all hope for support has evaporated. The support page states that since my Cakewalk software was developed before Windows 10, there is no way for their developers to support it. Wow. Line 6 and M-Audio have already been able to make their products function perfectly in Windows 10 on my system and these products were purchased years before X2.
I feel that I have been led to a dead end by Cakewalk's marketing strategies and I also believe that I am not alone. Throwing out affordable though soon-to-be-obsolete upgrades has undoubtedly been lucrative. The new "Rolling Upgrade" system is a fun concept, but useless to anyone that is at my stage in the game since my product has been intentionally cast aside. My main question: Does a user of X2 Studio have an upgrade option, in Windows 10, without starting over from a new version, or is your strategy to offer only new products and abandon the affordable upgrade programs from past years?
A reply from Cakewalk would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
I read your post twice and all I see is someone that wants CW to keep your version current. That is not the norm in software development. However, I know of no reason why your version wont run well on Windows 10. No developer can write software that will anticipate changes in an OS years before it is released. True many older programs do run well on new versions of an OS. But there is no way to guarantee that not at the time of realese. Even MS wont do it with many of their own products. Why would you demand a small company like CW dedicate programmers to keep your version current when the vast majority are on newer and current versions plus those that are first time users and need support too? Other DAW makers don't do what you are asking. Try running Cubase SX3 on Windows 10 see what happens. How About Logic Platinum 5? I know these wont because I have them. You compare hardware to a powerful full feature DAW and think its as easy to update a driver as it would be to rewrite a very old program. I have two questions for you have you tried to run Sonar Studio X2 on Windows 10? If you have and it didn't run did you call CW support to see if they have a way for you to run it?
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Re: Reached the End
September 14, 15 12:24 AM
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche September 14, 15 3:35 PM
Try running the latest version of Cubase on Windows 10 :-) According to Steinberg there's a bug in Windows 10 that affects all audio software (yeah right).
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Re: Reached the End
September 14, 15 12:43 AM
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche September 14, 15 3:35 PM
There are just way to many features in SONAR and they keep making more, I find myself reaching the end of my creative juices sometimes but I fear that CakeWalk has led me down a path of continual ignorance as to everything that SONAR XXX can do and I'm sick of feeling inadequate. I'm switching to a Casio KX-101 to fullfill ALL my DAW needs including speakers (something SONAR lacks) and a built in keyboard (a relativlely new addition to SONAR with touch screens mostly) PLUS OS Independence! With it's logically and fully laid out interface complete with tape mastering I feel my creative jucies flowing again as I can wrap my loving arms around my DAW again and understand it almost completely. This has been a very personal decision for me. My new DAW (The CASIO KX-101!): 
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September 14, 15 12:55 AM
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☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv September 14, 15 1:49 PM
Edit: Ain't no one needs a course in Beepster Economics 101... or maybe they do but still... no fuel for you.
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September 14, 15 12:57 AM
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☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv September 14, 15 1:49 PM
boolee54
The new "Rolling Upgrade" system is a fun concept... And the irony is that one of the reasons it was adopted was to prevent the kind of experience you're having with a product that's well over 3 years old and coded before Windows decided to make major changes to their operating system. Notice how nicely Platinum rolled smoothly into Windows 10-land, while remaining compatible with 7 and 8. My main question: Does a user of X2 Studio have an upgrade option, in Windows 10, without starting over from a new version, or is your strategy to offer only new products and abandon the affordable upgrade programs from past years? Your premise is wrong. Cakewalk is not offering "new products" in the sense you mean it. Instead, they've gone to a model of an affordable and continuous upgrade program that's superior to the options offered previously. Your question should be do you want to run Windows 10, or do you want to run X2, bearing in mind that I'm not entirely convinced X2 won't run under Windows 10. If you want to do both, create a dual-boot system drive and run X2 under whatever OS you're currently using (that way any third-party software you use with X2 will also be compatible), and boot into Windows 10 when you want to do Windows 10 stuff. I still have an XP removable drive with XP and all the programs from other companies that were orphaned when Vista and Windows 7 came along.
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Re: Reached the End
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Re: Reached the End
September 14, 15 1:23 PM
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☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv September 14, 15 1:49 PM
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Please reset and rescan your plugins. Make sure your drivers are up to date. And then turn up the bass.
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Re: Reached the End
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Re: Reached the End
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Re: Reached the End
September 14, 15 1:36 PM
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☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv September 14, 15 1:50 PM
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche September 14, 15 3:34 PM
Just be thankful you don't have Pro Tools 12 and a bunch of RTAS plug-ins.  But seriously, shouldn't he be complaining to Microsoft? Windows 10 changed...X2 is still the same.
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Re: Reached the End
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche September 14, 15 3:34 PM
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Dogpile!!!!
Yeah... you're right. Baleetin' now. Still a pretty silly post though.
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Re: Reached the End
September 14, 15 3:28 PM
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☄ Helpfulby bapu September 14, 15 6:33 PM
At least this is a really helpful thread 
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Re: Reached the End
September 14, 15 3:34 PM
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Try running the latest version of Cubase on Windows 10 :-) According to Steinberg there's a bug in Windows 10 that affects all audio software (yeah right).
Actually, this has been confirmed by Microsoft. Microsoft has also issued a hotfix, and it's being tested.
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☄ Helpfulby backwoods September 14, 15 6:46 PM
Sorry to hear that you are disappointed however let me say that the beauty of a program like Cakewalk is that it is continually evolving and getting better every month. This keeps us up to date and gives us the tools to make the best music we can. No matter what kind of music you make and weather you do it for fun or are a serious professional, Sonar gives you what you need to make it happen. To address your situation, what can you expect when your using X2 and we have evolved to Platinum plus the new Windows 10 OS is here. If you want to have support then you have to be current. There is noting wrong with X2 but things advance. Would you expect modern technology from a cell phone that was several years old, I think not, you would need to get a new current smart phone for performance and support. My point is X2 is a solid program but it's older and if it suits your needs then great but if you want the latest advancements and support perhaps you should consider an upgrade.
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Re: Reached the End
September 14, 15 6:29 PM
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☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv September 15, 15 8:43 AM
For the price of a re-furbished 2" 24-track tape machine and two reels of tape a year for the next 10 years, you can upgrade to Platinum every year for the next 100 years. Just sayin.'
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Re: Reached the End
September 14, 15 6:38 PM
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Sorry to hear that you are disappointed however let me say that the beauty of a program like Cakewalk is that it is continually evolving and getting better every month. This keeps us up to date and gives us the tools to make the best music we can. No matter what kind of music you make and weather you do it for fun or are a serious professional, Sonar gives you what you need to make it happen. To address your situation, what can you expect when your using X2 and we have evolved to Platinum plus the new Windows 10 OS is here. If you want to have support then you have to be current. There is noting wrong with X2 but things advance. Would you expect modern technology from a cell phone that was several years old, I think not, you would need to get a new current smart phone for performance and support. My point is X2 is a solid program but it's older and if it suits your needs then great but if you want the latest advancements and support perhaps you should consider an upgrade.
I agree. Why do people expect legacy versions to be supported on the new OS? Where is the sense of perspective? If you would like to stick with an old version, good for you... but you may need to use an OS from the same era.
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September 14, 15 7:18 PM
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I agree. Why do people expect legacy versions to be supported on the new OS? Where is the sense of perspective? If you would like to stick with an old version, good for you... but you may need to use an OS from the same era.
+1 I work in IT and it is common to see clients holding onto old PCs running XP (even Windows 2000/Windows 9x) to keep a legacy application working. Usually there were upgrade opportunities, but they were too tight to take them. Eventually, the old PC dies and they are up the creek without a paddle. I've seen this often and it's a problem of not recognising the need to keep technology current. Funny, often those same people will upgrade their iPhone with every new model and not complain.
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September 14, 15 8:16 PM
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I began my journey with Cakewalk products around 12 years ago ....
My difficulty lies in the path of planned obsolescence down which Cakewalk has led me and probably many others...
I feel that I have been led to a dead end by Cakewalk's marketing strategies and I also believe that I am not alone. Throwing out affordable though soon-to-be-obsolete upgrades has undoubtedly been lucrative. The new "Rolling Upgrade" system is a fun concept, but useless to anyone that is at my stage in the game since my product has been intentionally cast aside. My main question: Does a user of X2 Studio have an upgrade option, in Windows 10, without starting over from a new version, or is your strategy to offer only new products and abandon the affordable upgrade programs from past years?
I suspect that at some point many of us have felt what you are feeling. I am not a huge fan of the disruptive rolling monthly upgrade approach. However, there are other ways to view this situation as you have pointed out; here is the one that keeps me sane. My view of this "reality" is as follows: Owning a computer and software requires an average yearly outlay ranging anywhere from $200 pa to as much as $5000 pa (or even higher for some). This outlay covers off major items like computer hardware, major software purchases, routers and printers as well as minor purchases like ink, software updates and minor software purchases like VST instruments. I try to ascertain what I am willing to spend on these items (e.g. $1000 pa) and then spend accordingly. Some years I undershoot in order to purchase a large item the next year. This is not too different to owning other gear which require a regular outlay of cash to maintain. Examples include: Guitars; strings, upgraded pickups, Amps; new valves, Drums; sticks, drumheads, better cymbals, etc. Of course the goal of every sales/marketing arm of the software and hardware companies (Cakewalk, Microsoft, Epson, Dell etc) is to pry as much money out of my pocket so we must be "ever vigilant". Personally I am happy to pay $100 pa on a professional DAW in order for it to be kept updated and improved. I do, however, feel that the present monthly upgrades are disruptive and give Sonar more of a "hobby" software feel than a professional one and have suggested quarterly upgrades with updates as required. Cheers, R
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Re: Reached the End
September 14, 15 8:18 PM
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☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv September 15, 15 8:43 AM
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I do, however, feel that the present monthly upgrades are disruptive and give Sonar more of a "hobby" software feel than a professional one and have suggested quarterly upgrades with updates as required.
You can update monthly, quarterly, yearly, skip updates, roll back updates...whatever you want. It's about choice, not forcing anyone into any particular model.
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Re: Reached the End
September 14, 15 10:25 PM
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☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv September 15, 15 8:43 AM
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Am I the only one that might want one of these? I never use to uninstall my versions of Sonar. At one time I had S7 to X3 on my W7 system.
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Try running the latest version of Cubase on Windows 10 :-) According to Steinberg there's a bug in Windows 10 that affects all audio software (yeah right).
Actually, this has been confirmed by Microsoft. Microsoft has also issued a hotfix, and it's being tested.
So how come it hasn't affected SPlat?
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☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv September 15, 15 8:43 AM
Looks like a Ghetto Blaster with a little keyboard.
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September 15, 15 6:16 AM
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Try running the latest version of Cubase on Windows 10 :-) According to Steinberg there's a bug in Windows 10 that affects all audio software (yeah right).
Actually, this has been confirmed by Microsoft. Microsoft has also issued a hotfix, and it's being tested.
So how come it hasn't affected SPlat?
Well cubase could be calling some MS code that Sonar is not calling. E.g. vector based graphics. Anybody have a link to this hotfix or MS statement? Googling comes up with nothing.
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Reached the End
September 15, 15 8:52 AM
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Where's the hotfix? I think blaming QuickTime and Edge browser is a little making a mountain over a molehill. Just don't use edge or quicktime! IF cubase is 100% reliable on it that's pretty crappy. Issues with WDM may be understandable. If they are getting it chances are that Sonar WDM users would be effected as well though. Can't comment on the 'timing issue'. Seems a little odd. It looks like their fixes seem to be curing the problem without MS intervention. It looks like they are crying wolf to me, but it's hard to say for sure.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - September 15, 15 9:03 AM
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