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2017/03/30 02:59:36 (permalink)

Are you making a decent living?

Maybe the wrong place to post this, but what the hell. Communication is communication. Wondering where you guys might weigh in on this.
 
I made a good living out of touring in the forgotten past. Paid the rent with my fingers and vocal chords. Girls and drugs were the tips. Even got subsidized by amp companies if we would use their mega blasters on stage. Was way cool until I destroyed my hearing. Even earplugs would not keep the rumble thru the floor from causing further hearing loss.
 
Went to studio work to not be battered but made less money. Hi wages per hour, but not many hours per week.
 
Did the struggle thing outside music to pay the bills. Good money at times in other fields, but music took a hit. Everything harmonic was put on the back stage, because pounding an aircraft rivet was what put (vegetarian) meat on the table. Flashes of creative inspiration that needed to be recorded, but you can't get to the recorder for several more hours because of being slaved to the production line.
 
Is there anyone out there who is actually making a sustained living on your music or engineering skills? If so, you are blessed. Or are we only a bunch of hobby dudes, showing up at some brain dead job 10 hours a day wishing we could be in the studio.
 
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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 03:29:22 (permalink)
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Or are we only a bunch of hobby dudes, showing up at some brain dead job 10 hours a day wishing we could be in the studio.
 

This sounds exactly like me. Working a job I can't stand to feed a family of 5, all the while wishing I was earning a living doing something I have passion for, creating music.
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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 04:31:20 (permalink)
Leadfoot,
 
Totally resonate with you. We got screwed in the system somewhere as far as the system not facilitating our inspired direction, or giving a damn unless our wrist is flexible enough to flip a burger on the production line.
 
Grandson is here with us again to eat us out of house and home for a couple weeks. Incredible kid. Discussed that only one out of  hundred, maybe one out of a thousand will get up in the morning with a hard on to get to work. Saw a beautiful interview with some chic with NASA space agency. How from the first breath in the waking state, she was in cold sweats to get to work. Sleep only kept her away short time from the glory of her purpose.  How blessed she was to find love in her craft, and get paid big dollars for it.
 
Never achieved that in my life. Kept the planes flying. Later kept an eye on the drugs being consumed by the aged and infirm. Could not find sustaining work to feed a family in the studio alone. Relegated inspirations and dreams to a receding "hobby" while going under the yoke for da man..
 
Really respect, and almost envy any of you who have kept afloat with music as the dream.
 
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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 09:48:15 (permalink)
Brief answer...No...not making a decent living.  I live on $180 a month
Pension, and, if I'm lucky, 2 gigs a month at $100 bucks a crack for 10 hours of work
each time...so, yes, I'm a brain dead hobbyist...
And I wouldn't change it...


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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 11:30:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/03/30 11:32:17
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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 13:40:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/03/30 14:21:04
What is this "making money from making music" you speak of?
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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 15:45:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/03/30 16:27:16
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What is this "making money from making music" you speak of?


It's the old "How to make a million bucks in the music industry. Start with 2 million".
 
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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 15:49:12 (permalink)
I've got 3 or 4 friends making a living off music.  Only one can afford to own a home (in Toronto home costs are between Chicago and NYC rates).
They're all happy, love their lifestyles, and are FAR too busy to join these forums.
 
I'm not one of them.  I have a day job that funds my music and sailing passions.  My last album, distributed with no publicity, took 18 months to earn back the money I spent having it mixed and mastered.  You don't need to be a banker to know how that works out...
 

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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 19:46:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/04/03 18:34:22
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Is there anyone out there who is actually making a sustained living on your music or engineering skills? If so, you are blessed. Or are we only a bunch of hobby dudes, showing up at some brain dead job 10 hours a day wishing we could be in the studio.
 




None of the above. I'm self employed doing work that I enjoy (most of the time), and also enjoying the luxury of recording my music at my own pace, as and when I want.
 
I don't have any desire to make my living from music, never have.

 
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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 19:47:59 (permalink)
Never made anything more than beer money / expenses out of gigs back in the day and release sales only ever paid for the studio time/costs, but that's ok - I had a blast for a while and it never really cost me anything. Can't complain about that. I'm not sure I would want it to be my job that I depended on "to live" because once it becomes a job..............well, it has become a job. In an ideal world I would not need to work anywhere at all and then spend as much time as I wanted to playing wannabe producer with no expectation of reward and if I happened to make a bit along the way, then all well and good.
 
I'm nearly there. Except for the still having to work somewhere else bit.
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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 19:49:43 (permalink)
paulo
 
I'm nearly there. Except for the still having to work somewhere else bit.


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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 20:24:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/03/30 21:58:36
I'm set for life, assuming I die before April 15th.
 


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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 21:10:59 (permalink)
definitely not making a living,but,over the years the studio has paid for itself and provides beer money.
to be honest,leasing the studio for preproduction and regular rehearsals outweighs any recording income.
not many other hobbies i can think of that can be self sufficient........
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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 21:26:01 (permalink)
Interesting topic....Number one, every day I open my eyes and am lucky to be alive....Is a good day. Two, you choose your life or life chooses for you, and mine has been a lil' bit o' both. As far as music career, probably not gonna happen (with all due respect to those that do though, and more power to ya!).  I just remember as a kid hearing Jimmy Page and Led Zeppelin, Jeff Beck, Pink Floyd, the Beatles and being blown away (still am)...Thinking it was like magic---pure magic, how 1,2,3 or more people could come together and create beautiful stuff. And not just "rock" anything that moves me, classical, electronic, jazz....whatever. I would (over the years) cobble together guitars, amps, pedals, Tascam stuff, etc. So it stayed around even if I did not have the time for it all the time. But I must say now truly is an amazing time to be alive as far as music creating goes---All I need is a decent computer, interface, guitar (or whatever instrument of choice) and SOFTWARE! (and yeah, technical know how, and um, talent (haha) had to add that).  All that being said, I really think I have too much software though. Might of went overboard on that. But the journey has been fun. So, no not making money off Music but that's not why I'm in this, but if I ever did I think it would be like hitting the lottery on some levels.
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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 21:28:12 (permalink)
There is no "too much software" in this game called music hobby.
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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 21:40:35 (permalink)
OK, now we can get down to brass tax.
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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 21:43:17 (permalink)
Nope.

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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/30 22:31:31 (permalink)
Paulo hit a core predicament...
 
By design, our creativity has to diminish as we age, big downhill skid starting when we get to puberty and can reproduce. If this were not the case, we would not be here as a species. This progressive skill to go brain dead is hard wired into the survival process.
 
Nothing better however to accelerate genetic design and creative deterioration than by turning a process of creative freedom and happiness into a job. The hobby guy may not be making money as the focus, but is probably getting more joy out of the expression that someone who is successful and depending on the music business model to provide a roof and food.
 
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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/31 02:30:15 (permalink)
JohnKenn
The hobby guy may not be making money as the focus, but is probably getting more joy out of the expression that someone who is successful and depending on the music business model to provide a roof and food.


Some of the more successful "professional" artists may disagree but, as a pure hobbyist, I agree with this...

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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/31 03:07:44 (permalink)
bapu
What is this "making money from making music" you speak of?

It's an old indigenous saying about Hamlet cigars.

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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/03/31 03:21:28 (permalink)
Making money from music today is a whole different game. I was talking to my wife today on the way home about some of the post production work I'm doing now (having been forcably retired recently). It doesn't pay the bills. It definitely doesn't pay for the equipment, the software or the studio space. My wife's reply to my thinking about doing post production work more regularly?

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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/04/01 19:33:03 (permalink)
Beginning my senior year in high school I actually started making money from music.  I was able to put myself through grad school and snag a Ph.D. with income from both scholarships and music.  As a teenager I thought I could be a professional musician (I mean the Beatles did it), but didn't think seriously about it after I got a few years of college under my belt.  I mostly play for myself these days by choice.

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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/04/01 21:55:06 (permalink)
It's all relative. My income today is about the same as it was in 1985. Since Y2K this wave of collapse has torn through North American industry and many of us aged 50+ were made redundant and pushed aside. It hasn't ended well for many people, me included.
But on the flip side, I have a place to live, food to eat and a family that cares about each other. That places my lot in life above hundreds of millions on this planet. In that light, I'm doing very well.
I've never made money as a musician because I have the talent of a Dung Beetle. I have made money as a producer, technician and doing cover photography for artists. I do make some very nice guitar amps now and then, plus I get work as a freelance tech writer.
Things could be far worse and I'm thankful every day that I learned how to think and adapt. I'm making lemonade.

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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/04/02 03:57:55 (permalink)
*Teaser!*
 
I'm about to launch something on Tuesday that will ignite my personal business again and could make me a VERY decent living!  More to follow... 

 
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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/04/02 09:40:36 (permalink)
I've spent 40 years in a job that has always been just a job. Something I do for living getting next to nothing out of it except for the (moderate) salary. Music hobby is something that has added some depth and spices to my life,  something to wait for (and keep the nice memories of cellar-band-youth alive). There are often months between my music sessions - simply for practical reasons. There's so much to do with the house and yard, and I'm unable to concentrate on fun if there  are too many must-do-tasks in que.

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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/04/03 18:15:01 (permalink)
There are companies pitching exclusive deals for $250 a song.  Can't make a living off that!  It used to be much higher, but with the ubiquity of songsters the price went down (unless you're already established).  The only thing in the music business that really works is live shows.

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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/04/03 18:47:57 (permalink)
I'm a weekly pianist and I sometimes get a token gift. I had a card on the piano yesterday with a 100.00 dollar bill in it. I was out of work because of surgery a few months back and they passed around a hat for me. It was enough to cover my month out of work. So I guess I was indirectly paid for music. 
I work in one area and live in another area. The area I work in is in a high income bracket. The salary I make isn't enough to afford to live where I work, but I have a good steady job. So I commute to an area I can afford to live in.
It doesn't hurt that my wife also works and makes way better money than I do. Things would be a lot different if she didn't also work.Together we make it work and  usually have some to spare....that's only until the grand kids get older. :) Took my sons family family out to dinner the other night and they all ordered lobster. Ouch.
 
I don't really want to get into all the riff raff of the music industry. Not that they would want me anyway. I like music as a hobby and playing part time.

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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/04/03 20:13:48 (permalink)
Making a descent living...yes.  I do alright.  In the music industry....no.  
 
Hey, I did make $50 in the music industry last week though.  That might pay for a new set of Bass strings.  

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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/04/06 10:32:00 (permalink)
Everyday my living gets flushed down the ol' crappe... sorry, I thought you said descent.
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Re: Are you making a decent living? 2017/04/06 15:53:25 (permalink)
Humans - the only species that has to work to live on this planet. 

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