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how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
Hi there, I wondered if I can make a guitar recording(mono), panned in the fashion of a dual-miced piano (stereo spectrum- low-left thourght the middle to high on the right).
thanks in advance.
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/18 17:53:55
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You can do that using Guitar Rig 4... Use their crossover and each output (low/hi) can be mixed separately... Or their' Split device will make dual signal paths (full bandwidth)... or some combination of the two devices... ..or you could simply clone the track and filter each side appropriately (hi/lo pass filter) and process each track as you chose... Keni
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/18 17:55:16
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/18 18:03:15
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The difference between a two mic piano set up is that both of the mics are also picking up the overtones of the strings. So you get the full range harmonically of the low notes as well as the higher notes. Of course you have the strings in the middle with their harmonic structure too.
Using an EQ filter will put the fundamental on the left and the harmonics on the right. Not the same effect. I suspect that it sounds better in your imagination than it will sound in reality.
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/18 18:32:39
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rin two seprate tracks and split the eq on each one then pan away...sorry thats the best i got
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/18 18:35:35
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I would go with chuckebaby's method and add the channel tool to both then pull back the middle with the m/s control.
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/18 19:31:11
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Why wouldn't all you engineers just recommend or use a stereo EQ? Oh... that's right... Pro Channel doesn't have that feature :-)     :-) I like to keep it simple because If I go out of my way to make it complicated I run the risk of creating the impression that this stuff is supposed to be hard ;-) < - THIS POST IS - >
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/18 19:58:29
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I take it no one bothered to check out the link I posted? It should do exactly what the OP wants to and it does work.
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/18 20:06:48
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Yeah I looked... why it always have to be about you?
Stereoizer is a fancy $99- one trick pony with a funky license.
Shown above is a free example of a stereo EQ and several others to illustrate how common the solution is.
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/18 20:13:24
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Yeah I looked... why it always have to be about you? Of course its all about me. LOL Or it could be about the question the OP asked and what is a excellent solution. BTW I use it.
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/18 21:23:10
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Stereo EQs, Reverbs and Delays would be useful in the core product. I agree.
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/18 22:36:41
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It's ridiculous to stuff a bunch of crap into a core product just to have discerning users turn most of it off. Plugins are a fantastic idea... they are there when you need them... and they are scalable in both power and sound quality. Built in stuff like Pro Channel is for smorgasbord all you can eat amateurs and pro-am low ballers. I don't want more of that stuff clogging up and ruining my DAW. There's a good reason SONAR endorsees like Shawn Murray mix on a Pro Tools HD rig after they have composed in SONAR. :-) < - THIS POST IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION - >
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/18 23:05:22
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Try this. Works great for me!
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/18 23:22:07
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I would start by clonng the track.
And then playing with each to determine what sounds best.
Could high-pass one, use some extra distortion panned hard right.
Low-pass on the other channel.
And so on.
Could use 3 tracks with the original center and quieter.
And so on.
Clone the track, send both to the same bus with one of the suggested stereo thangs in the bin.
Best::::
Clone the track and then reamp the tracks to two amps and two mics, with eq settings in the tracks and/or in the amps,...
And so on.
Let's play with sound. Oh, how fun.
Your turn.
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/18 23:33:07
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It's ridiculous to stuff a bunch of crap into a core product just to have discerning users turn most of it off.
Plugins are a fantastic idea... they are there when you need them... and they are scalable in both power and sound quality.
Built in stuff like Pro Channel is for smorgasbord all you can eat amateurs and pro-am low ballers.
I don't want more of that stuff clogging up and ruining my DAW.
There's a good reason SONAR endorsees like Shawn Murray mix on a Pro Tools HD rig after they have composed in SONAR. :-)
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Well I tried - Yeah thanks Mike we all cannot be as great as you are. We'll try real hard. Man, you just really know how to insult folks and not call it a personal attack-Guess it's more like a group attack-right?
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/19 08:20:59
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You caught me. :-) I'm just planting seeds... maybe they'll grow and people will realize what is going on with all the "I want more for less and make it easier while you are at it" requests. Take care! best regards, mike edit spelling
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/19 08:44:01
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Brainworx all the way !!
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/19 09:01:55
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mike_mccue
It's ridiculous to stuff a bunch of crap into a core product just to have discerning users turn most of it off.
Plugins are a fantastic idea... they are there when you need them... and they are scalable in both power and sound quality.
Built in stuff like Pro Channel is for smorgasbord all you can eat amateurs and pro-am low ballers.
I don't want more of that stuff clogging up and ruining my DAW.
There's a good reason SONAR endorsees like Shawn Murray mix on a Pro Tools HD rig after they have composed in SONAR. :-)
Is there a "this post marked as unhelpful" button on this forum software?
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/19 09:13:29
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mike_mccue
It's ridiculous to stuff a bunch of crap into a core product just to have discerning users turn most of it off.
Plugins are a fantastic idea... they are there when you need them... and they are scalable in both power and sound quality.
Built in stuff like Pro Channel is for smorgasbord all you can eat amateurs and pro-am low ballers.
I don't want more of that stuff clogging up and ruining my DAW.
There's a good reason SONAR endorsees like Shawn Murray mix on a Pro Tools HD rig after they have composed in SONAR. :-)
With all due respect, I find this to be a very rude post filled with comments that have more holes in them than an old pair of socks. If you have a valid point in there somewhere, it is completely lost within the condescending tone.
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/19 09:19:52
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mike_mccue
You caught me.
:-)
I'm just planting seeds... maybe they'll grow and people will realize what is going on with all the "I want more for less and make it easier while you are at it" requests.
Take care!
best regards,
mike
The reason "I want more for less and make it easier while your at it" exists, is is because many users simply cannot afford a really good set of plugins. Sonar only stuffs all this extra content into Producer. If you don't want all these extras - buy the Studio version and fill it with all the 3rd party plugins you want. I really have no idea what you are complaining about? It was your choice to buy the product that had all the extras.
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/19 09:21:53
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noted.
Out of the 5 sentences this one sums it all up:
"There's a good reason SONAR endorsees like Shawn Murray [Call of Duty Black Ops] mix on a Pro Tools HD rig after they have composed in SONAR. :-)"
best regards,
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/19 09:26:01
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"I really have no idea what you are complaining about?" I'm complaining about the lack of development of core features like automation and editing tools while crap is being stuffed into or piled on to the package to create value. You say people can't afford to buy extra stuff? I say "low ballers".... what's the difference? Can we leave this for another thread? I originally posted a free and a couple cheap solutions for the OP. And then I responded to a passive bull hockey post intended to antagonize... and now we are starting another Lord of the Flies riot.
I can entertain the criticism... I even attempted to agree with Frank. :-) I'm just asking that you attempt to compel me to justify the statement in some other thread.
all the best, mike
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/19 09:46:36
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"There's a good reason SONAR endorsees like Shawn Murray [Call of Duty Black Ops] mix on a Pro Tools HD rig after they have composed in SONAR. :-)"
another way of saying that Mike:
there's a good reason Shawn Murray composes in SONAR before he mixes on a Pro Tools HD rig
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/19 09:47:08
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You know Mike, I'm in your neck of the woods right now. And do you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna go to Maclay Gardens and go for a good walk to enjoy nature. And tonight I am going to your Milan festival downtown. All that time I will not worry myself with "the lack of development of core features like automation and editing tools while crap is being stuffed into or piled on to the pacjage to create value. " Maybe you should get out too and forget about the rest?
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/19 09:50:44
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tom1
"There's a good reason SONAR endorsees like Shawn Murray [Call of Duty Black Ops] mix on a Pro Tools HD rig after they have composed in SONAR. :-)"
another way of saying that Mike:
there's a good reason Shawn Murray composes in SONAR before he mixes on a Pro Tools HD rig
Yes exactly... I prefer to compose with SONAR as well... and up until SONAR 7 I sincerely thought Cakewalk would easily outpace Pro Tools for mixing as well... but nothing has happened in that direction in 4 years. :-( But I'm sure you've all heard this a thousand times....
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/19 10:01:22
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"I really have no idea what you are complaining about?"
I'm complaining about the lack of development of core features like automation and editing tools while crap is being stuffed into or piled on to the package to create value.
Why didn't you just say it like this to begin with? I'm not pleased that you got the last word in  , but I will now honor you wish to let this go and move on. Kindest Regards!
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/19 11:56:45
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codamedia
The reason "I want more for less and make it easier while your at it" exists, is is because many users simply cannot afford a really good set of plugins.
Sonar only stuffs all this extra content into Producer. If you don't want all these extras - buy the Studio version and fill it with all the 3rd party plugins you want.
I really have no idea what you are complaining about? It was your choice to buy the product that had all the extras.
+1
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/19 12:03:11
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Keni
You can do that using Guitar Rig 4... Use their crossover and each output (low/hi) can be mixed separately... Or their' Split device will make dual signal paths (full bandwidth)... or some combination of the two devices...
..or you could simply clone the track and filter each side appropriately (hi/lo pass filter) and process each track as you chose...
Keni
I use the Split thingy all the time in GRP4. It's awesome!
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Re:how can I make a Guitar lows panned right and highs panned left?
2011/03/19 12:28:06
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Personally, I'd just double the track, do a hard high-pass/low-pass on each double, and pan it.
But there are lots of ways to do this.
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