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installing on a SSD
I want to install Sonar X3 on a SSD and have all the non-executable stuff go to my HDD.
Is there a cheat sheet for how to do this?
(I searched the forum for ssd but found no posts...)
Thanks!
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/09/30 19:44:24
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☄ Helpfulby Grem 2014/10/01 10:36:56
In all honesty, project audio, wave files, and video files take up the most space. Using "Per-Project Audio Folders" will contain project audio in subdirectories of the project itself. My F: drive is where I store these, and the paths are (Preferences->File->Folder Locations):
Project Files: F:\Cakewalk Projects
Wave Files: F:\Cakewalk Content\Audio Library
Video Files: F:\ (these are largest and I want them very visible till I move them elsewhere)
Looking at my list, I think I specified "Cakewalk Projects" and "Cakewalk Content" to the F drive during the X3 installation.
***Depending on the size of your SSD, the below may be totally unnecessary***
My SSD is not huge (256GB), and before I realized that video was eating up my SSD, I also moved the Dimension Pro Multisamples folder. This folder is 6GB and was not necessary to move (it must be done manually) once I realized I had 40+ GB of video to get rid of. Just in case you do want to move this one day, it requires a registry edit to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cakewalk Music Software\dp
for the "Mutlisamples Folder" entry to the path you want (mine is F:\Cakewalk Content\Dimension Pro), and manually moving the Multisamples folder from the SSD to that new location.
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/09/30 20:01:47
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Make sure you do a manual instal and not automatic. You then get to choose exactly what is installed and where it gets put.
Sonar doesn't know or care if it's a HDD or an SSD. To get maximum advantage from the speed of your SSD you should put the project folders and Library folders on it.
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/09/30 20:23:56
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kmcintyre
I want to install Sonar X3 on a SSD...
I wouldn't particularly recommend installing Sonar on a separate drive from the operating system. But there are certainly benefits to using a second harddrive, SSD or otherwise, for storing either projects or multisamples.
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/09/30 20:49:48
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I have the OS, programmes and Sonar and it's associated samples etc. on one SSD and spool project audio to/from another. If I only had one HDD and one SSD I'd be inclined to put the OS and applications plus any sample libraries on the SSD for speed of response and use the HDD for projects. Unless the HDD was so slow that I was having difficulty getting a sufficient number of tracks to spool adequately, in which case I'd do things the other way round, probably splitting the HDD into two partitions and using the first one, whcih will be on the outer edge of the discs, for projects as the outermost partiition will be the fastest area on the drive.
There's little benefit putting Sonar itself anywhere but on the C drive. It takes up little space. Seriously big sample libraries which are spooled from the disc in real time rather than stored in RAM are a different matter, as are things like the Documents folder, itunes/music folder, photographs etc. I have most of the Windows user folders relocated to a couple of 7200rpm SATA II HDDs which is quite adequate for that kind of use.
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/09/30 22:40:46
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Thanks for the responses.
I have 512GB of Raid 0 SSD (2 x 256 Samsung 840 Pro), so I'm not really hurting. Sounds like I should install all of Producer on the SSD and then store project audio on the HDD. (???)
Sounds like I can move stuff off the SSD after the fact without too much trouble. (???)
Perhaps I'm just old school paranoid about partitioning stuff out to keep the system drive clean.
Keith
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/10/01 00:31:49
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Now there's a good question 'cause I don't know, can you partition one of these new fangled SSD drives?
I have been partitioning my mains drive for a while now. That way if an OS re do is needed, it's only a 200 Gig portion of the 1 TB.
All my Project working folders are in the partition.
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/10/01 01:24:09
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sock monkey
Now there's a good question 'cause I don't know, can you partition one of these new fangled SSD drives?...
I believe that it's not a good idea to have multiple partitions on a SSD drive. Nor would I risk it on a RAID setup anyway.
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/10/01 02:10:26
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sock monkey
Now there's a good question 'cause I don't know, can you partition one of these new fangled SSD drives?...
I believe that it's not a good idea to have multiple partitions on a SSD drive. Nor would I risk it on a RAID setup anyway.
I have two SSDs in my laptop. One has two partitions: - Main - for music files aka Sonar project files/folders, - Installers, where I store all of the various installer files for everything The other SSD has three partitions: -System (the C drive for the OS, and for stubborn program files that want to install on C no matter what) - Mongo, my D drive where I install all programs including Sonar, and all sorts of music studio add-ons, and even MSOffice. - Home, kind of a jumbo My Documents for non music related documents. Works like a charm. I'll never go back to regular hard drives after experiencing SSDs (which are now pretty affordable).
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/10/01 02:11:02
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Ok but I'm just asking if it's possible to partition one, and only once and not a RAID system. I'll google ..
OK answered : Toms Hardware
I do not think you will see any advantage to the SSD partitioning other than organization.
SSD's do not keep data in the bound of the partition anyway, they just store data in free space.
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/10/01 02:30:10
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Portioning is great also for backup purposes. If you use Acronis or something like it you can restore just a section of a drive, or the partition. An example is if you have an issue in your OS you can just restore the OS partition.
I'm not just talking theory. I've had to do that a number of times. Either something I installed came with some unwanted stuff that couldn't be easily removed (in which case a restore of the OS partition put everything right), or a Windows update came through that went awry. Whatever the scenario, it's a happy relief to be able to restore a partition from a backup.
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/10/01 06:16:30
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kmcintyre
I want to install Sonar X3 on a SSD...
I wouldn't particularly recommend installing Sonar on a separate drive from the operating system. But there are certainly benefits to using a second harddrive, SSD or otherwise, for storing either projects or multisamples.
Interesting, why do you not recommend this? I recommend the opposite to people. OS on a drive by itself, apps on another drive, data on another. Maximum protection from different kind of cock-ups and makes it easier to configure backups to only do exactly what you need. On my system: C: Operating system, SSD D: Apps, 7200rpm HDD E: Data, separate physical 7200 HDD F:,G: Backups, donwloads, misc. Again separate HDDs .
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/10/01 06:16:39
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kmcintyre
I want to install Sonar X3 on a SSD...
I wouldn't particularly recommend installing Sonar on a separate drive from the operating system. But there are certainly benefits to using a second harddrive, SSD or otherwise, for storing either projects or multisamples.
Interesting, why do you not recommend this? I recommend the opposite to people. OS on a drive by itself, apps on another drive, data on another. Maximum protection from different kind of cock-ups and makes it easier to configure backups to only do exactly what you need. On my system: C: Operating system, SSD D: Apps, 7200rpm HDD E: Data, separate physical 7200 HDD F:,G: Backups, donwloads, misc. Again separate HDDs .
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/10/01 09:20:10
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With a pair of SATA III SSDs in RAID 0 I wouldn't worry too much where you put almost anything. The RAID array's speed is probably going to cope no matter what unless you place very heavy demands on the system.
I would operate a scrupulous and frequent backup system though. I operated HDDs in RAID 0 for years, until I had three Seagate Barracudas go wrong in a space of 18 months. Daily backups saved my data but I get fed up switching disks and reinstalling and started to feel more than a little paranoid, hence switching to non-RAID SSDs.
Though I do get tempted to get another bigger SSD and run my Intels in RAID 0 as project drives...
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/10/01 09:24:20
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kmcintyre
I want to install Sonar X3 on a SSD...
I wouldn't particularly recommend installing Sonar on a separate drive from the operating system. But there are certainly benefits to using a second harddrive, SSD or otherwise, for storing either projects or multisamples.
Interesting, why do you not recommend this?...
I meant this within the context of having only 2 drives. With 4 or more drives I might consider using one of them for software applications.
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/10/01 09:31:11
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Raid 0 is not a robust solution, you are vulnerable if even one of the drives goes down. Arguably you're even more vulnerable than using a single drive as you are at the mercy of two drives potentially failing instead of just one.
You'd be better just having two separate logical drives than having RAID 0.
If you were going for a full raid solution I'd say RAID 10 on the Operating System drive, RAID 3 or 5 for everything else.
RAID 3 or 5 is not good for the OS drive because in certain situations it can cause your OS to actually run slower. in many IT solutions RAID 10 is generally used for that reason for the OS, and other RAID flavours for data.
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/10/01 10:51:47
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Roo Stercogburn
Raid 0 is not a robust solution, you are vulnerable if even one of the drives goes down. Arguably you're even more vulnerable than using a single drive as you are at the mercy of two drives potentially failing instead of just one.
You'd be better just having two separate logical drives than having RAID 0.
Bingo!
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/10/01 11:35:49
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you asked for it! here is a list that I made when I installed an SSD and upgraded to 64 bit from my Win 7 32 disc.. don't know how current it is: Upgrade info 1. Backup all documents, music, vsts from existing c: Save list of all software license numbers in a file to cy/paste. Check and save files of current 64 bit drivers on drive. Review VSTs that you want to install. refer here for questions: http://www.overclock.net/...on-guide-for-ssds-hdds altho it is an older doc ad is contradicted by this: http://forums.anandtech.c..howthread.php?t=2072259 also at this site where u can download your version plus the SP1 versions: http://www.sevenforums.co...stall-windows-7-a.html -read and decide if you are using UEFI instead of BIOS *** I loaded the Win64 on a USB boot drive (not annotated here, google it) highly recommended! check system - upgrade advisor: http://www.microsoft.com/...oad/details.aspx?id=20 2. Shut down, disconnect all HDDs and install SSD in HDD0 slot. 3. Check Win 64 disk in drive. 4. Startup and ensure AHCI SATA mode enabled in BIOS and SSD is C: Ensure Secure Boot is disabled 5. Install Win. Adjust hibernate, adjust system protection (some say turn it off), drive indexing. Shut down and connect HDDs and startup. 6. Install current mobo drivers. http://www.gigabyte.us/we...9/download-center.html Install newest SATA and chipset drivers (AMD/Intel). Run windows updates and enable updates. Change power options (never, never). Run Win Experience Index to active SSD features. Ensure defrag is not enabled for SSD. 9. Install video drivers. Install virus protections. Move to d:, Contacts, Downloads, Dropbox, Music, My Documents, My Pictures, My Videos, Recycle Bin. Disable GUI on boot, UAC, unneeded features. Disable unwanted visual effects 8. Install audio drivers. Saffire Mix Control Install mouse & keyboard drivers if not done already. Activate Windows. Make a system image. 10. Setup dirs D:\Plugins64bit, D:\Plugins32bit, D:\PluginsVST3. Install primary DAWs. Sonar install: Install X2 - advanced install - minimum (for V-Vocal & R-Mix). Install X3 Producer Pro parts 1-4, Melodyne, Dimension Pro and Addictive Drums. Install X3d update. Do not run yet. Install Reason. Install Reaper. 11. Install VSTs 12. Instrument drivers Device drivers 13. Programs Links: Windows 7 ISO http://www.w7forums.com/t...image-downloads.12325/
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Re: installing on a SSD
2014/10/01 11:41:16
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SSDs excel at reading data. Putting them in a situation of writing often is what degrades their longevity. I simply use xcopy/robocopy batch files to backup to magnetic media, and that media of another external. It is rather surprising how few files actually change content on a daily basis (a few hundred at most). I typed up this post several months ago on how I do backups (not imaging, but data backups).
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