its just a theory

i think it started as a money making scheme.
lets sell these samples to people who dont know how to play instruments,then anyone can be a musician.
i dont know about you but if your an old time musician like myself,you played your instruments.
 
no lets not get confused with drum software,and software that actualy forces you to write real music and not just press a button and have some samples start playing.
i say drum software becuase its a good example.i write all my drum parts out in midi and taylor make all my own parts.
im talking not about draging a sample in and playing it over and over and over,a sample you didnt write.
 
that guitar in the backround sounds really cool to..id give props to that guy for his guitar playing skillz..o wait...thats a sample too?
with great ideas and new and improved technics comes a price.
everyone and their brother stealing the thunder from great musicians,sweating years and years out to gain popularuty and recognition.
i had one guy listening to my stuff yesterday and said "yo bro..where'd you get these beats from?"
after vigoursly trying to explain i play all these instruments and i even thought i was doing him a favor by sharing some inside advice on how to mic a cab..
it used to be a science you know..
he told me i was wasting my time and i could get samples to do this,they'd probably even sound better.
wow,what an insult.
 
so i guess the 30 years of sweet ive put in to practicing 2 hours a day now amounts to nothing?
this was my responce to him...
"when someone pulls your plug out of the wall..are you still a musician?"
if the answer to this is no,then your not a musician,your a data specialist.
there is nothing wrong with being a data specialist but dont confuse it with being a musician.
 
noone listens to music the same way these days,people think musicians are beat makers.AKA:data specialists.
it may be the total reason alot of people say,music these days suks.
its not like it used to be,when real music ruled,real bands showed up with instruments and not a small box with a bunch of cords.
 
im all for what technology has dropped at my feet,but i will be damed if i take advantage of the shortcuts,easy way outs and samples.
the only good sample should be the one you make.
 
just a theory.

The quick and easy way is not the best way. It takes "Work", something that some people do not want to do.

YOU TELL 'EM, CHUCK!!! ;-)

How you been, dude? Haven't seen you around for a while.

Oh gawd... are we gonna start this war again???   LOL

I've played guitar since I could hold one, yet, one of the most creative periods of my life involved a bunch of projects which had me using nothing but soft synths and samples.

I know people who've played instruments their whole life but can't make an interesting noise unless they're given a specific set of instructions.

So it really depends on where you set the bar. To me the ability to play a song on an instrument doesn't make one a musician, no more than the ability to type words automatically makes you an author.

Also worth remembering that many of us real musicians would probably look like mere dilettantes in the eye of, say, Bach. 

I guess it can be annoying at times, but I don't think of all the time I've spent polishing my skills and studying as long hard hours - I've actually enjoyed it all the way and I still do. Playing an instrument is a reward in itself, and music is the end in itself. 

As Bruce Lee used to say - success is a journey, not a destination.

jamesg1213


Y'know, this sampling/loop thing has been around for what, 30 years now?

Possibly time to get used to it. Or over it.

maybe you no understand'a ?
 
i use midi samples all the time.the ones i write.
i obviously offended you because you are probably a sampler..sorry.
drum machines created back in the early 80's and keyboards as well that used samples were different.
you actually need some sort of musical tallent to use them.
not a mouse to drag and drop,which is i asume how you do it?
no offense.
 
although by listening to your music it sounds pretty real to me.

Contrary to common belief, you can't stick a bunch of samples in the hands of someone with no talent and expect anything good to come of it.

i obviously offended you because you are probably a sampler

I did have a little laugh at this comment.

Personally I can not see James being offended but as he suggests follow the link in his sig it may prove to quite enlightening.

Perhaps the other question needs to asked. What is music?

Y'know, this sampling/loop thing has been around for what, 30 years now?
　
yeah, but I think Chuck was mostly referring to the music generating software programs.
type in a chord and music plays automatically.
 
It's frightening how good GarageBand and BIAB have evolved. Garitan has a new $150 program that generates some very nice orchestral pieces.
 
All you need is IRIS (push a few keys) and you can do some very nice movie trailers with minimal effort.
 
All this new technology is great in many aspects but if you are a musician part of you has to hate where all this is heading.

Meh. The day my fingers and twisted mind can be replaced by a machine is the day I just call it quits but it ain't ever gonna happen... at least not in my lifetime.

Don't look at it as a threat. Look at it as a challenge to be met.

hmm... I should write that down.

;-p

The first midi type instrument was a player piano.

I have the Ivory II piano sample program because I can't afford a $45,000  Yamaha C7, nor will it fit into my bedroom studio. 

I have the East West Symphonic Orchestra sample program because I can't afford to hire the whole orchestra, nor can I fit them into my bedroom studio, and they won't let me into the hall.

I can afford to have a Taylor 12 string guitar so I have that, so I guess I am a musician, yes no ??
 
Sample programs offer a solution to these problems.
 
 
 
 
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spacey  
 
Unlike Chuck I spent my time learning for me.    
   
   
   
    
 
Chuckybaby
"@rain..good point,couldnt agree with you more.
it has been fun every part of the way.
i mostly play for me,which is like a theorpy in itself." 
  
  
  
 
this is a little confusing to me spacey ?
did you even read any of my posts ? 

I'm in awe of musicians, or should I say instrumentalists? I haven't played an instrument in years, (might change that), but I'm just a button pusher here. I'm not ashamed of it, though, creativity has many outlets. Everybody has talents, they just may not be the same ones...

Crg


I don't beleive in samples, but then again, what are synth patchs? Samples of someone elses sound wave designs. So I suppose there are different types of samples. Ones that are per note, ones that copy a group of notes or a pattern of notes.

What if someone uses NI's sampled Scarbee Rhodes piano and plays it via MIDI from weighted keyboard controller. Is he less of a musician that some one playing a real Rhodes? I contend that the same level of skill is required in each case. 
 
 

I don't care what I'm called.  I just want to make things that sound good to me.  If others happen to like it, that's just a bonus!