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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/15 16:46:33
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/15 16:51:08
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I wish everyone could have the lifetime update. I tried hard to convince people to buy in when it first appeared. I can fully understand that some missed out because they were either not here or unaware or perhaps not in a position to take advantage of the offer at that time. It did however show up once more later in the year and ran for many months. I believed at that time anyone interested had ample opportunity to sign up. I am also aware that Cakewalk has a huge customer base and there will aways be a few outliers. For those I would like very much if they had another change. But its completely up to CW. Perhaps CW could do it as a loyalty bonus. Those with very long histories with the program might be given some consideration. Yes I am a lifetime member. It seemed a good idea at the time.  Thats the smug emoticon. LOL
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/15 17:08:34
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... I'll get me coat.
 When people say I'll get me coat........ They never actually leave.
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/15 17:23:22
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The advantage of lifetime for those who have it starts NEXT year.
Correct. Those who have paid have yet to see any extra benefit at all, so everyone who took the offer has paid more for their updates thus far than those who decided that they were being asked to "pay twice" in the same year and chose not to take the opportunity. If CW goes belly up before that time, then all the people who bought into it who will be the ones that have dipped out financially, but that was the risk that came with the deal. You pay your money and make your choice and only time will tell if you made the right choice.
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/15 17:44:21
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The advantage of lifetime for those who have it starts NEXT year.
Correct. Those who have paid have yet to see any extra benefit at all, so everyone who took the offer has paid more for their updates thus far than those who decided that they were being asked to "pay twice" in the same year and chose not to take the opportunity. If CW goes belly up before that time, then all the people who bought into it who will be the ones that have dipped out financially, but that was the risk that came with the deal. You pay your money and make your choice and only time will tell if you made the right choice.
Well I got a free update this year due to the lifetime update. I don't get how you can say the above.
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/15 20:15:11
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\start of joke Here's what I demand Gibson/Cakewalk to do: - Sell me a top-of-the-line Gibson Guitar for $99. I'm a loyal Cakewalk customer, so I have all the rights to demand so. Offer must end in 3 days tough.
- Make me a lifetime offer for whatever product, whenever I feel is the right thing to demand. If it is a one-time-only or every week is my right to decide to demand.
- Put a Master Volume Knob in Quadcurve EQ. Don't ask. Do it!
- You can click & drag velocity changes in Piano Roll, but can't in Step Sequencer. Fix it. Do it!
- Send me a Strawberry Cake every year. Why? Isn't obvious? DUH!
- Don't agree with me? You smell so bad!
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/15 21:47:34
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Im only wishing well on other users what was given to me (Lifetime updates).
The offer was for everyone, and it was not "given to you", you have paid for that. The advantage of lifetime for those who have it starts NEXT year.
Not true in all cases. Many users plopped down $170 (by buying lifetime updates through a 3rd party) with an older version of Sonar Producer and got years worth of updates with that money.
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/15 23:06:13
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The advantage of lifetime for those who have it starts NEXT year.
Correct. Those who have paid have yet to see any extra benefit at all, so everyone who took the offer has paid more for their updates thus far than those who decided that they were being asked to "pay twice" in the same year and chose not to take the opportunity. If CW goes belly up before that time, then all the people who bought into it who will be the ones that have dipped out financially, but that was the risk that came with the deal. You pay your money and make your choice and only time will tell if you made the right choice.
Well I got a free update this year due to the lifetime update. I don't get how you can say the above.
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Not true in all cases. Many users plopped down $170 (by buying lifetime updates through a 3rd party) with an older version of Sonar Producer and got years worth of updates with that money.
I am not speaking about ABSOLUTE prices (in previous CW politic the prices could be ridiculously different...), but there is common part: whatever method people used, they have payed MORE then was possible to pay just for 2016. So no one "got a free update this year" from lifetime, everyone has payed for it in advance (just different price). Platinum upgrades/updates before lifetime was (US prices) $100-$150. Most "loyal" users have payed for the lifetime $99 extra (after updating to 2016, not instead). And so "comparable" with year membership according to the old schema. I repeat, in previous marketing there was quite some "bugs" (most of which was called features, probably CW was loosing money... these "features" was not only for CW software). But I think that asking CW "please give other users the possibility to use old bugs in your system" is strange... And I repeat, I am not against more users get lifetime. But let us be realistic (to balance, I can propose CW also be realistic... $250 for this year is not, at least so far).
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/16 15:45:06
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Brian Walton
Many users plopped down $170 (by buying lifetime updates through a 3rd party) with an older version of Sonar Producer and got years worth of updates with that money.
Yup, true! I was content with X3 Producer, until the lifetime Platinum deal. The immediate benefit of upgrading was 1.5 years of new features and bug fixes. Some of these were substantial improvements in the core program. I had upgraded to almost every version of Sonar since v1, except for maybe two of them, so I didn't want to fall too far behind. For those concerned about the current upgrade pricing, maybe upgrade every two years, instead of every year. Once you pay for 12 months, you get to keep the license and a working copy of Platinum. It's only $125/year that way!
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/16 15:58:03
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There was no "loyalty" associated with lifetime updates, since a one time buyer qualified.
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/16 16:13:27
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☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2017/07/16 18:21:09
mettelus
There was no "loyalty" associated with lifetime updates, since a one time buyer qualified.
There was a discount for existing users.
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/16 19:06:34
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(in previous CW politic the prices could be ridiculously different...)
Azslow, what does "politic" mean?
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/16 19:28:36
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John
(in previous CW politic the prices could be ridiculously different...)
Azslow, what does "politic" mean?
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/17 11:27:45
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No need to apologize Azslow. I know the word here is referring to "the people" i.e. "the body politic" Its used in politics.
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/18 08:34:08
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Please no discussion of politics here. 😉
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/18 11:57:18
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/19 06:31:49
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Like the OP , I had a lot going on when it was first offered .Let's just call it dealing with life on life's terms for simplicity's sake . Cutting to the chase, I feel that I was very lucky to have squeaked in a couple of weeks before the extended deal ended during last years holiday season . I recall at the time there was some people that weren't happy back then that Cakewalk had extended the deal those few extra months ... Maybe a few of them did feel slighted that they may have had to juggle finances around to pull off the deal only to find out that they did have a little extra breathing room once Cakewalk had decided to give the deal an extension .... For the record my Crystal Ball sucks and it wishes it had half the functionality and accuracy of the SONAR staff view Having successfully made the jump to lifetime , I feel a tremendous weight has been lifted off my shoulders . Every month I install the updates in total confidence with out any level of fear . Absolutely love most of the new content , functionality & plugs ... In the Grand Scheme of it all . What difference does it really make if you were the first or the last to get the deal ? My whole stance on the whole Lifetimes deal is pretty simple ...I hope Cakewalk decides to offer it again ... I'm much happier and I would like to see other people that missed out on the lifetimes deal find their happiness . all the best, Kenny
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/20 01:30:51
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☄ Helpfulby abacab 2017/07/20 21:07:24
I am like abacab, almost exactly. I was on X3. I didn't ever buy into the subscription of Platinum until I happened across the forum one afternoon and saw that there was going to be a big announcement., When I saw what that was, even though I've been away from the DAW a lot more than I prefer, I couldn't pass on the offer at the time. $199 was less than it would have been for me to get about 18 months, as I recall calculating, using the pricing at the time and for that I got all of the updates ever. If I got a few years worth and Cakewalk turned their backs on us, well, I'd have been better off than if I had bought at the then-current full price.
So happy that it has turned out as it has. I'm now at that turning point of having "made money" and it neither looks as though CW is going anywhere nor that they are going to "screw the users". Indeed, it was just a good deal and "for a limited time only".
I guess I kind of look at it like a good stock purchase. Some people luck out and are paying attention at exactly the right time and make a fortune. Do you wish that everyone had been paying attention? To a degree, yes, but at the same time, you can't say "well - riches for all" just because someone makes a good investment, right?
I feel for the OP because the deal was missed, but at the same time,. it seems that he was in the same situation as I was: not using Sonar a whole lot anyway. Fortunately, part the reason I've gotten back into using my gear was hat I was able to upgrade in this way and it gave me a much-needed push back into "my room".
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/20 11:30:55
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Now over 30 months ago, Cakewalk changed not only their business model but their development and release method too.
So many skeptics said it wouldn't work, could never sustain the pace of making monthly releases. Before that it was Cakewalk going out of business because Gibson had bought our beloved company and it was all downhill. Then more skepticism when the Free Lifetime Updates were offered. More people arguing about Cakewalks integrity in making the offer and if it was really genuine. There was more discussion about whether it was for real than gratitude for the offer that was made in all sincerity.
Well some people didn't trust the offer, some didn't hear about an offer than was on the table for more than 4 months. So some ended up with an offer that many scoffed at and said was too good to be true and for those people we'll start to reap the benefits come January next year when we get the first of our free updates. Sorry some missed out but that's the way it goes.
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/20 12:12:27
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Now over 30 months ago, Cakewalk changed not only their business model but their development and release method too.
So many skeptics said it wouldn't work, could never sustain the pace of making monthly releases. Before that it was Cakewalk going out of business because Gibson had bought our beloved company and it was all downhill. Then more skepticism when the Free Lifetime Updates were offered. More people arguing about Cakewalks integrity in making the offer and if it was really genuine. There was more discussion about whether it was for real than gratitude for the offer that was made in all sincerity.
Well some people didn't trust the offer, some didn't hear about an offer than was on the table for more than 4 months. So some ended up with an offer that many scoffed at and said was too good to be true and for those people we'll start to reap the benefits come January next year when we get the first of our free updates. Sorry some missed out but that's the way it goes.
Boy do I remember those days. I was right in the middle of trying to convince people to take the deal. I feel sorry for those that didn't have an opportunity to take it but I do not feel sorry for those that didn't want it.
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/20 14:46:06
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I feel sorry for those that didn't have an opportunity to take it but I do not feel sorry for those that didn't want it.
You just said what I was trying to say in my first few posts. Perfectly put. And you guys are right a lot has changed. In my opinion it appears cake is not only trying to build a top 3 DAW, but more they are trying to build the best DAW. on the market. they have been doing very well. FYI- glad this thread has turned positive. I felt partially responsible for sending it in a negative direction. People like Brando and AzSlow I respect, I don't want to debate with those guys. We are strong opinionated people that's all. Probably why we are still here on this forum after all these years
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/20 15:31:56
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My 2 cents worth, or maybe 1 cent, I thought that Cakewalk sent the email mid May that promised big things on June 1st. However the lifetime updates was leaked at that point and users started jumping on the offer. (I did as well) Then we found out that the offer was good thru August. So that was 3 1/2 months. Then it was extended thru December. So in total the lifetime offer was good for 7 1/2 months. Please tell me if I am wrong on the numbers... I know that this is picking a nit, but just checking my memory.
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/20 15:44:39
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I think that is accurate. The part that backfired was it was initially pushed as stealth marketing IIRC which fell through because of email issues and people talk on the forum (go figure). Backlash opened the offer up and then extended it. Current state is that renewals are $250/year for people that missed it to make up the revenue gap.
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/20 17:11:28
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John
I feel sorry for those that didn't have an opportunity to take it but I do not feel sorry for those that didn't want it.
You just said what I was trying to say in my first few posts. Perfectly put.
And you guys are right a lot has changed.
In my opinion it appears cake is not only trying to build a top 3 DAW, but more they are trying to build the best DAW. on the market. they have been doing very well.
FYI- glad this thread has turned positive. I felt partially responsible for sending it in a negative direction.
People like Brando and AzSlow I respect, I don't want to debate with those guys. We are strong opinionated people that's all. Probably why we are still here on this forum after all these years
Chuck remember we went out of our way to make sure that one member in particular could get the lifetime update. That is how strong we were about it. The problem was there was a significant group that were very negative about it and kept dreaming up reasons why it was a bad deal. Nothing we said seemed to make any difference to them. Now I wonder if any of those here were influenced by that group and didn't take advantage of the deal at the time? To me it seemed CW offered the deal for the whole year. I know they didn't but it seemed like it. One thing is for sure, I'm glad I took advantage of it!
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/20 18:08:15
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I wish everyone could win here. Is there a way for everyone to like the current setup? How about a future deal?
One thing I never excelled at was business, but I do know simple math. Selling 500 units for a bit less is better than selling 100 units for more and alienating customers. As Craig has noted, the daw market is both competitive and much smaller than some think it is. One guy developed the Adaptive limiter. There wasn't team of coders on it. Most of these companies are a handful of software engineers.
I don't know what Cake needs to break even. Someone in corporate decided to set the buy in prices. I'll admit they are somewhat higher than the buy in of a few competitors. We could split hairs here and say that the competitors programs aren't as feature laden and this would likely be true in most cases. If you see this as added value and an advantage you would at least be partially right. Lowering the day to day price to the same levels would be seen as more of a value. That would put them on par with the same pricing on updates/ upgrades as the competitors with the added advantage of regular features and updates added faster usually than the competition. Where competitor A is adding some bug fixes, Cakewalk is adding adaptive limiter to the program. A major plug in.
Maybe the answer is to lower the day to day price in order to add value. OK maybe I should run for cover now. I don't mean to frustrate Cake if they need the revenue.
I wonder how many would be more apt to purchase in the same price range as the others? Would this add more business?
I see this as more of a long term win/win compared to offering lifetime updates which isn't financially feasible in the long term.
A Sonar user couldn't argue that the others were less expensive when you take into account that they come around wanting coin every year or two as well.
If I were in the position of many who can't justify upgrading every year. I might go two years. Not a perfect solution, but maybe a placeholder until other things get sorted out. Maybe wait until a special comes along like the one now offered to X users until the 31st.
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/20 18:34:27
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I'm sure I don't understand your post Starise. But I do not think for a moment that CW is raising prices on a whim. I think they looked long and hard at this and found to stay in business they needed to raise them. Actually I thought for a long time that the price structure was a little low for a pro DAW. Yes I benefited but I knew too that Cakewalk use to be around $1200.
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/20 18:44:56
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I guess I'm saying that although I understand they have their reasons, I know people like to go with what works for the best value they can find. Plenty of other things work at the level many home studio users are at. Do they work as well? Probably not in most cases. Is that a valid trade off? Maybe.
I'm mainly referring to the flagship program Platinum. I'm comparing it to the flagship of a few competitors. There are many other considerations as you know. It isn't just about price. But price is a BIG one.
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/20 19:38:30
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I should mention though.. Im with you, I hope they offer it again for a special.
Like a "3 days only" deal. Other people such as yourself deserve to get it.
And the people who miss the 3 days will look for another offer down the road, etc etc etc.
No offence to the OP, but the forums were full of people at the time the lifetime deal was first announced proclaiming the immediate demise of Cakewalk, that monthly updates would fail, that Cake was using the revenue from lifetime updates to fund Apple development, and who questioned the value of paying for bug fixes, etc. In the process a lot of people chose not to participate.
The fact that there have been many customers since saying that they wished lifetime updates would be offered again is I think a credit to Cakewalk, and how successful the program has been.
Yes I am a very happy lifetime subscriber.
No offense again, but participation was a more difficult choice at the time given the uncertainty of how this would take shape. It was a leap of faith decision to invest in Cakewalk and spring for lifetime updates. Today it would be a true no-brainer, having seen the successful rollout of the whole process.
In other words, it's far, far easier now, given the benefit of hindsight to say - " hey ya, I'm in...."
Yup, the drama was pretty thick.
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/20 22:41:03
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☄ Helpfulby abacab 2017/07/20 23:06:09
I have an idea for CW: graduated renewals. Each year that you stay current reduces next year's re-up price by X%. After ten years you get the lifetime deal free of charge. This would promote brand loyalty and keep the revenue flowing.
I can't know if this would actually work without access to proprietary information, e.g. whether the price reduction would be offset by reduced attrition and increased sales.
 All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
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Re: lifetime updates
2017/07/21 00:23:40
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I have to admit, I was one of the angry ones when they extended the offer. I already ordered it knowing I was going to have to extend the payments for a few months and pay interest. I don't like to pay interest. So I would of waited to pay for the lifetime offer for several months to avoid the interest charges. All in all it was only a few dollars. I was actually more mad of the Cakewalk Store charging me Chicago sales tax. I'm not against paying state sales tax, I live in Illinois, but not Chicago. The tax rate is insane! I'm liking what I see from Cakewalk in the monthly updates. Of course I'm one of the customers that harps on Staff view improvements. Maybe before my infinity updates expires Cakewalk will implement them Hey Bitflipper, I like that idea. Maybe not free after a certain time period but at least a low charge upgrade say after 3 straight years of upgrading.
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