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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/24 21:02:54
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So many posts in the past 5 months, starting with their 'Cakewalk life story' . DOS this, Windows 3.1 that, Soundblaster, floppy etc...
LOL yeah that's been grinding my gears as well. It's like there's some kind of template going around. "Let me just say that I've been using Cakewalk since 1989. Here's a photo of my original floppies, which I still have. Here's a list of the versions I've used since then. I was shocked to learn recently that blah blah blah, lifetime updates, blah blah blibbety outrage disgust sadness disappointment." Does tend to get a little samey.
Although myself, I have not been using Cakewalk software for such a long time, I really feel that your comments look alike a template the most, disrespectful in the first place!
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/24 21:16:19
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pwalpwal
in the EU i think you could get yr money back under consumer laws were you such inclined
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/24 21:42:51
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☄ Helpfulby marled 2018/03/24 21:54:40
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sharke
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So many posts in the past 5 months, starting with their 'Cakewalk life story' . DOS this, Windows 3.1 that, Soundblaster, floppy etc...
LOL yeah that's been grinding my gears as well. It's like there's some kind of template going around. "Let me just say that I've been using Cakewalk since 1989. Here's a photo of my original floppies, which I still have. Here's a list of the versions I've used since then. I was shocked to learn recently that blah blah blah, lifetime updates, blah blah blibbety outrage disgust sadness disappointment." Does tend to get a little samey.
Although myself, I have not been using Cakewalk software for such a long time, I really feel that your comments look alike a template the most, disrespectful in the first place!
Template? Pah! They were 100% original! I bet nobody's made an even remotely similar comment, ever. On any forum.
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 03:14:21
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I started using Cakewalk for DOS version 1.1 before color monitors and before Windows was invented. No mouse.
I have stayed with it all these many years even though there was always pressure from people in the business to use other software. I finally purchased the lifetime updates reciently. i would like to hope this will be honored by the new company. if not i will have to finally switch to Pro Tools. its a sad day.....
As Craig pointed out, Pro Tools will stop working the month after you stop paying. Nothing mentioned by Bandlab so far suggests they have this terrible business practice in mind for legacy Sonar users.
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 04:19:10
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...I finally purchased the lifetime updates reciently. i would like to hope this will be honored by the new company. if not i will have to finally switch to Pro Tools. its a sad day.
OK, you're disappointed about the lifetime deal coming to an end, but it's not clear why you think that switching to ProTools would be the next logical step.
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 05:16:17
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☄ Helpfulby marled 2018/03/25 12:58:41
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When I look at these thread's it befuddles me why a licensee doesn't read or understand the EULA, you know, that thing you check off when you load the software that you have to agree too BEFORE you install, that was with Cakewalk NOT Bandlab, as a reasonable assumption given the fact it's a different entity.
I suspect people don't read them because they're 50 pages long, contain mostly indecipherable legal jargon which does nothing for you but only protects the company, and if you don't agree to all of it you can't install the software you just paid for, and you can't return it, either. So there's no point in even looking at it. Just my opinion, of course.
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 09:08:48
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☄ Helpfulby marled 2018/03/25 12:59:24
worth remembering that a eula also has to be legal in the territory it is being applied (remember the whole you-can-resell-used-sftware-in-the-eu thing)
and yeah, nobody reads them because they're way too long and complex
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 13:47:17
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 13:56:11
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in the EU i think you could get yr money back under consumer laws were you such inclined
Dream on!
https://europa.eu/youreur...s-returns/index_en.htm
although you will probably just join the queue of cakewalk creditors
IMHO even that is only possible with a good lawyer in such a case.
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 16:24:18
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Hola, creo que esto se complica todo lo que queramos, Gibson solto a sonar en una esquina, y [<font][<font] BandLab qizas tenga buenas intenciones, pero creo que si hay personas que tienen la opcion de por vida, esto nunca se puede olvidar. [<font][<font]Es como un extra de mi coche si pague por ese boton la casa me tiene que responder y si la nueva casa lo comparar tiene que saber esto, creo que legalmente hay alguna ley que nos proteja, no soy experto pero seria intersante si esto tiene posibilidad legal. [<font][<font] BandLab debe ser consecuente.
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 16:26:10
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Si pero sonar nos prometio practicamente lo mismo ahora [<font][<font] BandLab deberia considerar esto.
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 16:39:31
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2018/03/25 16:52:11
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First comment translation
Hello, I think this complicates everything we want, Gibson let it ring in a corner, and BandLab qizas have good intentions, but I think that if there are people who have the option for life, this You can never forget. It's like an extra of my car if I pay for that button the house has to answer me and if the new house compares it, it has to know this, I believe that legally there is some law that protects us, I am not Expert but it would be interesting if this has legal possibility.BandLab should be consistent.
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Si pero sonar nos prometio practicamente lo mismo ahora BandLab deberia considerar esto.
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Yes but sonar promised us practically the same now BandLab should consider this ..
The original Lifetime update was sold by Cakewalk Inc a subsidiary of Gibson. SONAR was a product sold by Cakewalk Inc. To the best of my knowledge Bandlab did not purchase Cakewalk Inc only the intellectual property and certain assets. This to me means they are under no obligation to fulfil that Lifetime promise. This would also explain why there is going to be a name change and other changes to the product, doing so removes that obligation to provide lifetime updates to SONAR because SONAR as a product will cease to exist .
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 16:51:56
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☄ Helpfulby Wookiee 2018/03/25 17:01:01
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The original Lifetime update was sold by Cakewalk Inc a subsidiary of Gibson. SONAR was a product sold by Cakewalk Inc.
To the best of my knowledge Bandlab did not purchase Cakewalk Inc only the intellectual property and certain assets. This to me means they are under no obligation to fulfil that Lifetime promise.
This would also explain why there is going to be a name change and other changes to the product, doing so removes that obligation to provide lifetime updates to SONAR because SONAR as a product will cease to exist .
Why oh why can't *everyone* understand this simple concept?
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 16:53:47
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And if BandLab chooses to honor LTU, it *will probably not* be out of contractual obligations but because they choose to.
Lighten up people.
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 17:02:33
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 18:48:49
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bapu
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The original Lifetime update was sold by Cakewalk Inc a subsidiary of Gibson. SONAR was a product sold by Cakewalk Inc.
To the best of my knowledge Bandlab did not purchase Cakewalk Inc only the intellectual property and certain assets. This to me means they are under no obligation to fulfil that Lifetime promise.
This would also explain why there is going to be a name change and other changes to the product, doing so removes that obligation to provide lifetime updates to SONAR because SONAR as a product will cease to exist .
Why oh why can't *everyone* understand this simple concept?
Because it is not that simple! Simple?
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 18:54:55
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bapu
Wookiee
The original Lifetime update was sold by Cakewalk Inc a subsidiary of Gibson. SONAR was a product sold by Cakewalk Inc.
To the best of my knowledge Bandlab did not purchase Cakewalk Inc only the intellectual property and certain assets. This to me means they are under no obligation to fulfil that Lifetime promise.
This would also explain why there is going to be a name change and other changes to the product, doing so removes that obligation to provide lifetime updates to SONAR because SONAR as a product will cease to exist .
Why oh why can't *everyone* understand this simple concept?
Because it is not that simple! Simple?
Oh yes it is that simple. It seems like you're the one making complicated for your self (and others like you) based on your *belief* that is is not that simple. Cakewalk (who made the promise) is dead. SONAR Platinum will not see another version and thus SONAR Platinum is dead (from an update standpoint). BandLab is not obligated to carry on *any* Cakewalk promise. The key word is "obligated". Which is a legal concept. Emotions and morals are not legal concepts unless a jury (secretly) decides that. Is really is that simple.
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 18:55:55
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bapu
Wookiee
The original Lifetime update was sold by Cakewalk Inc a subsidiary of Gibson. SONAR was a product sold by Cakewalk Inc.
To the best of my knowledge Bandlab did not purchase Cakewalk Inc only the intellectual property and certain assets. This to me means they are under no obligation to fulfil that Lifetime promise.
This would also explain why there is going to be a name change and other changes to the product, doing so removes that obligation to provide lifetime updates to SONAR because SONAR as a product will cease to exist .
Why oh why can't *everyone* understand this simple concept?
Because it is not that simple! Simple?
But it is that simple.
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 19:07:46
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bapu
Wookiee
The original Lifetime update was sold by Cakewalk Inc a subsidiary of Gibson. SONAR was a product sold by Cakewalk Inc.
To the best of my knowledge Bandlab did not purchase Cakewalk Inc only the intellectual property and certain assets. This to me means they are under no obligation to fulfil that Lifetime promise.
This would also explain why there is going to be a name change and other changes to the product, doing so removes that obligation to provide lifetime updates to SONAR because SONAR as a product will cease to exist .
Why oh why can't *everyone* understand this simple concept?
Because it is not that simple! Simple?
But it is that simple.
First of all there are 3 companies involved: Cakewalk, Gibson, BandLab. 2nd as far as I know the company Cakewalk is not yet closed, only further development of their products. 3rd I doubt if a company has tax debts that they can simply sell all their inventory to another company and then nobody must pay those old tax debts. It is not that simple, that's what I understand even if I am no lawyer!!!
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 19:08:01
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☄ Helpfulby BJZ 2018/03/25 19:25:23
Without discussing the legal status of the purchases from and commitments made by Cakewalk, there is still customer perception that BandLab has to manage. On that front, we have yet to see what they have to offer. I reserve judgement until that time. Perception means a lot. For example, in the OP the claim is made markarbogast
I finally purchased the lifetime updates reciently.
IIRC, LTU were sold in the last half of 2016. To some that might not be recent but it appears to be the case for the OP.
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 19:17:20
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I agree with you scook!
But I like to mention that somehow with this deal the contract for LTU has changed without involving the customers and I just wonder if this is legal in the U.S.?
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 19:20:34
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2018/03/25 19:23:05
There is no agreement when followed with a "but."
This is not a legal forum. Why try to make it one? That is a fool's errand.
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 19:24:24
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☄ Helpfulby jude77 2018/03/25 19:54:56
marled
First of all there are 3 companies involved: Cakewalk, Gibson, BandLab.
Gibson owns Cakewalk. In order for the IP assets to be acquired Gibson was well aware of that. Simple. So now there is only one company "involved" in the promise of LTU. Cakewalk. A dead company (no store, no company) Simple. Do I wish that BandLab will continue LTU's for those that purchased it? Yes I do. But I'm pretty sure I have no legal basis to demand that they do. What BandLab will do is wht they will do. If you're unhappy once the roll out happens you don't have to stay, you can move on. Would I wish that BandLab or Cakewak give out a unlock code for the stagnate Cakewalk products? Yes, but that is a legal question that only BandLab or Gibson can answer. Do I wish that the unlock code is an IP asset that BandLab purchased? Yes. marled
2nd as far as I know the company Cakewalk is not yet closed, only further development of their products.
No store, no company. No IP assets, no SONAR Platinum, no LTU. Simple. May Cakewalk bounces back with things like plugs and VSTi offerings only, after all dust settles. But they certainly won't bounce back with SONAR Platinum (or any variant thereof I suspect). marled
3rd I doubt if a company has tax debts that they can simply sell all their inventory to another company and then nobody must pay those old tax debts. It is not that simple, that's what I understand even if I am no lawyer!!!
BandLab bought the IP, not the responsibilities/operation of Cakewalk, which is owned by Gibson, which in turn is still responsible for the tax debt. Simple. BTW, I'm sure you know that "doubt" is also not a legal concept; glad you stated you're not a lawyer. 
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 19:29:07
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in the EU i think you could get yr money back under consumer laws were you such inclined
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 19:31:18
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☄ Helpfulby jude77 2018/03/25 19:55:17
Anytime the participants in this thread would like to discuss how to use SONAR instead of contracts, sales and other legal issues would be fine by me (in another thread of course).
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 19:32:47
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There is no agreement when followed with a "but."
This is not a legal forum. Why try to make it one? That is a fool's errand.
I know there are many in this forum that think people like me are idiots. But I just try to understand, probably a bit more dogged than others! You said " Without discussing the legal status of the purchases". I have agreed under this premise. So the "But" sentence concerns the legal aspect only!
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 19:40:18
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BJZ
BTW, I'm sure you know that "doubt" is also not a legal concept; glad you stated you're not a lawyer.
LOL, reading your comment above I surely understand you're either no lawyer!
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Re: lifetime updates
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☄ Helpfulby jude77 2018/03/25 19:55:54
Let me offer a different translation of this post marled
I agree with you scook!
But I like to mention that somehow with this deal the contract for LTU has changed without involving the customers and I just wonder if this is legal in the U.S.?
it goes as follows Yeah, I don't care about what you wrote...here is the important stuffand then proceed to talk about the important "legal" stuff. Stuff that is not part of this forums charter. This is not a legal forum and few here are lawyers. There must be better place to pursue legal opinions. I make no judgement about intelligence or any other personal trait just suggest that the forum be used as intended and seek the appropriate place for answers on other subjects.
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Re: lifetime updates
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2018/03/25 19:44:35
I purchased a lifetime membership the very day they were offered. I reasoned to myself that even if it only lasted a year or two it was a good deal. Unfortunately, it indeed only lasted a short time but it was indeed still a good deal. marled
First of all there are 3 companies involved: Cakewalk, Gibson, BandLab.
2nd as far as I know the company Cakewalk is not yet closed, only further development of their products.
3rd I doubt if a company has tax debts that they can simply sell all their inventory to another company and then nobody must pay those old tax debts. It is not that simple, that's what I understand even if I am no lawyer!!!
Yes, it pretty much is. If you buy a toaster and the company that made it goes out of business, the company that buys the machinery from the factory in a bankruptcy liquidation sale is not obligated to honor your toaster's warranty, even if that company commits to start making toasters with that equipment sometime in the future. Cakewalk, alas, is gone. Sadly, the only entity on this earth that was obligated to honor the lifetime membership commitment is no more. That said, if the company actually still exists on paper somewhere in the dank bowels of Gibson, your gripe is with them. However, you can be sure that a team of lawyers and MBA's are busily gutting Cakewalk's cadaver for whatever they can get for the parts and the death certificate will be forthcoming in short order. Good luck with getting them to honor anything. Clearly there are many members still going through the grieving process. Denial is a natural part of the grief experience, so I'm inclined to let them vent. I have also grieved and have moved on, and I still think the lifetime updates purchase was a good deal.
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Re: lifetime updates
2018/03/25 19:57:58
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scook
it goes as follows
Yeah, I don't care about what you wrote...here is the important stuff
and then proceed to talk about the important "legal" stuff. Stuff that is not part of this forums charter.
No, that was absolutely not my intention! I quit!
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