http://forum.cakewalk.com/Solutions-for-Using-Take-Lanes-as-Layers-m2957165.aspx
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr13/articles/sonar-notes-0413.htm
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul14/articles/sonar-tech-0714.htm
 

Anderton



 

well this is just confirming my thoughts :/ If clips can't overlap (and to an extent crossfade) within lanes, the whole
idea is lost, and Take Lanes sets itself as a tool made solely for comping. Watch my layer video on sonar 8.5.3, do you see what I'm trying to convey? Sonar 8 was (and still is) the only daw where you could do this kind of creative tryouts / scratch pad stuff, super quick, within one audio track. This kind of experimentation/freedom is stull priceless to me

wanna love X3
 
well this is just confirming my thoughts :/ If clips can't overlap (and to an extent crossfade) within lanes, the whole
idea is lost, and Take Lanes sets itself as a tool made solely for comping. Watch my layer video on sonar 8.5.3, do you see what I'm trying to convey? Sonar 8 was (and still is) the only daw where you could do this kind of creative tryouts / scratch pad stuff, super quick, within one audio track. This kind of experimentation/freedom is stull priceless to me

Clips can indeed and do overlap in comping mode. If you zoom in on the splits you will see there is a slight crossfade between the currently audible clips. Dragging up and down changes the length of the crossfade. Dragging the split left and right moves the split and crossfade.
 
However if you want to work with a more traditional clip editing set up simply right click on the Record button in the Transport module and select Sound On Sound. Then it will behave like you seem to want. That is what I did until I fully understood comping. I still switch to it sometimes when sketching out ideas.

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John T
I had the menu lag issue about six months ago. It was to do with plug ins that weren't properly installed in some way. So they were showing up in the plug in manager, but they weren't really there. It's a tricky one to sort out, this, but I bet that's your problem.

yup! turns out this is it, after cleaning my layout of missing grayed-out plugins, lag is gone. thnx!

Beepster

wanna love X3
 
well this is just confirming my thoughts :/ If clips can't overlap (and to an extent crossfade) within lanes, the whole
idea is lost, and Take Lanes sets itself as a tool made solely for comping. Watch my layer video on sonar 8.5.3, do you see what I'm trying to convey? Sonar 8 was (and still is) the only daw where you could do this kind of creative tryouts / scratch pad stuff, super quick, within one audio track. This kind of experimentation/freedom is stull priceless to me

Clips can indeed and do overlap in comping mode. If you zoom in on the splits you will see there is a slight crossfade between the currently audible clips. Dragging up and down changes the length of the crossfade. Dragging the split left and right moves the split and crossfade.
 
However if you want to work with a more traditional clip editing set up simply right click on the Record button in the Transport module and select Sound On Sound. Then it will behave like you seem to want. That is what I did until I fully understood comping. I still switch to it sometimes when sketching out ideas.

nope, does not overlap nore trully slip edit-crossfade within one lane, I found the upward motion crossfade but it's is very clunky with all due respect, it worked flawlessly before why change it?.

can anybody tell me how do you trully overlap within a lane? am I the only one needing this?

You make your fades and overlaps in the lanes and the results show in the parent track. I have been saying for some time now that I would like to see more traditional style editing in the parent track but really it's not a huge deal to pop open the lanes and make edits that way. In many ways it's far superior. The only real problem comes in when you have so many lanes that they take more than the entire screen and you then record a part in the middle of the song (as opposed to a staircase along the timeline) but there are ways around that as well.
 
What I'd really like to see and will hopefully be implemented in X4 is the ability to Hide Lanes and adjust where they are easily by dragging them (actually my ideas are much more elaborate than that but I won't type them up again).
 
I used to work in an ancient version of one of the competitors that did not have lanes or layers at all and it took some getting used to to work with the new way but after a rather brief learning curve it is far superior.
 
If you are completely resistant to learning the new way there is nothing stopping you from tracking and editing in 8.5 then importing to X3 to access the far superior mixing tools and environment.
 
There has been thousands of complaints over the course of the X series from long time Sonar users about the drastic changes but now with X3 even the most vocal opponents to the new way have acknowledged its superiority. You just have to give it a chance. You are basically learning an entirely new DAW which is always a pain but they aren't gonna change it back... which suits me just fine.
 
Cheers.

And there is nothing clunky about the current crossfade method. It works great and is customizable just like traditional fading. It's all about learning the hotspots.
 
Honestly I don't know what they did but the auto X-Fades are almost perfect by default. I used to spend hours carefully crafting fades manually because I HATED how most X-Fades sounded. I just stitched together a bunch of stuff yesterday and all I had to do was adjust a few splits and in some more problematic areas extend the fades a bit. Before I would have spent ages cropping tracks, adjust fade lengths, changing curves, etc... Literally hours of work done in a few minutes because of the new comping stuff.
 
My ears haven't changed. My OCD hasn't disappeared (if anything it's become more intense) so I can only conclude that auto x-fades in X3 are superior to anything I've used before... that includes X1 and X2 (both of which sucked for stitching and I actually had to either get my takes done in one long clip or create new tracks for each clip because otherwise the overlap sounded like arse even with meticulously crafted fades).
 
Just sayin'.
 

I recommend you do totally different subjects in new threads if you want people to read and follow.

Agreed I sort of lost track of this... Cheers...