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  • Ok, So How Do I Cut Bars - Cut Delete Hole Is Greyed Out (p.3)
2014/01/23 16:57:13
brundlefly
Clint Swank
Three tracks, one audio, two midi. Deleted bar 5.  Left a 1 bar hole. With the same selection, delete special, delete hole, hole gone.



Okay. I see what's going on here; this is an exceptional condition. If you immediately go to delete again without changing the selection, some internal flag is still set that makes Delete and Cut available. But if you re-select that same region, or try to delete a region that has never had data in it, you'll be out of luck.
 
Since it's often the case that there was never any data in the "hole", or you're coming back to to delete a "hole" some time after having created it by dragging, sliding or deleting, it's more common that you can't get access to the Delete command.
 
 
2014/01/23 17:22:41
Jon Bryson
Yep, that one I can replicate.  Good call!
2014/01/23 18:29:45
Clint Swank
Ok, right, but if you want to solve the problem, here's how:  Bounce to Clips.  (That's always the answer, isn't it?)  Here's what I did this time.  Same tracks, same procedure, except this time I changed the selection and did another delete, then went back to the first selection and tried to delete the hole, and, sure enough, greyed out.  But then I bounced to clips, selected the same area and delete special is now available. And you can delete the hole.
2014/01/23 18:47:34
brundlefly
Yes, if bounce to clips fills the hole in an audio track with silent audio, that would do the trick. Seems like kind of a drastic solution though, given all the fallout that bounce to clips can have. I think I'd still choose to use Slide or insert some dummy content in the hole to delete.
2014/01/23 18:58:25
Clint Swank
Fallout?  From Bounce to Clips?  Never had that, either.  Enlighten me.
2014/01/23 19:51:08
Kev999
I'm not experiencing any problems with deleting hole and I'm using X2a, so I presume that it's a new bug that needs to be reported.
 
2014/01/23 22:13:40
brundlefly
Clint Swank
Fallout?  From Bounce to Clips?  Never had that, either.  Enlighten me.



- Take lanes flattened and individual clips merged
- Groove clips de-grooved
- Slip-editing and fades destuctively applied
- Clip FX destructively applied
- Audiosnap stretching rendered
- Forced MIDI Channels destructively applied
- ...
2014/01/23 23:20:12
brundlefly
Kev999
I'm not experiencing any problems with deleting hole and I'm using X2a, so I presume that it's a new bug that needs to be reported.
 

 
Definitely not new, and not really a bug. Here's a thread from 2005 with input from Tech Support:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...-Measures-m584611.aspx
 
2014/01/24 00:37:49
Kev999
brundlefly
Kev999
I'm not experiencing any problems with deleting hole and I'm using X2a, so I presume that it's a new bug that needs to be reported.

 
Definitely not new, and not really a bug. Here's a thread from 2005...



I deleted some empty space in a project a few days ago.  There were no audio clips, midi clips or envelope nodes in the section that I selected.  It deleted ok.

I have backups of the project so I can check it out again.  I'll do that tomorrow if I have time.
2014/01/24 00:54:31
sharke
This should definitely be a lot simpler and intuitive. When I used Pro Tools I got used to being able to just delete empty holes at will without any complications and without any workaround necessary. It just did what it said on the tin, and it was a bit of a shock to realize that Sonar couldn't do the same thing without a lot of faffing about. Seems like a rudimentary action which should just work with a couple of clicks. 
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