The problem with this thread was as soon as Alex posted his first reply I could just feel the way this thread would pan out.


*Sigh*

Just leave it all with UAD/Sonar.

SuperG
Well, Alex does go overboard some times....

I agree with that as well  Somebody should kick him off our forums!
End of the day facts are facts sorry if they prove offensive to some but I prefer to let the facts speak for themselves rather than play pointy fingers at people or engage in speculation, or trust what person X says about person Y. That's what wastes time. Pretty much every comment I have made has been backed up.

CakeAlexS

SuperG
Well, Alex does go overboard some times....

I agree with that as well  Somebody should kick him off our forums!
End of the day facts are facts sorry if they prove offensive to some but I prefer to let the facts speak for themselves rather than play pointy fingers at people or engage in speculation, or trust what person X says about person Y. That's what wastes time. Pretty much every comment I have made has been backed up.

That the whining wastes time is a given, it's just that some posts simply come off as if the poster believes they are of superior importance than the rest of us and their concerns should be everyone's most immediate cause. It's not insensitivity on my part (trust me, I'm a bleeding heart), it's quite the other way around.

melmyers
To the jury, I say this: The great thing about topic descriptions on the forum is that you don't have to waste time with anything that doesn't interest or concern you. Brian Brock has done a superior job of summing up the UAD/X3 situation here. The information he's posted here IS helpful and concise. The other threads on this topic have become long, fragmented, confusing and hard to follow.
 
Of the 34 current posts in the thread at this link http://forum.cakewalk.com/UAD-Plugins-in-FX-chain-are-disabled-on-opening-project-in-X3d-but-dont-show-as-disabled-m2952764.aspx, 8 of them are from CakeAlexS, who owns absolutely no UAD gear. (That's nearly 1/4 of the total posts!) If anyone is finding these UAD/X3 threads to be a waste of time, quit reading them. No one is making you involve yourself in something you know nothing about. And frankly, when you constantly post with nothing of substance to add, you waste everyone else's time.
 
The last time I checked, this forum was for ALL Sonar users, and we don't need permission to seek clear solutions to problems.  

Well said Mr. Myers
 
As someone who no longer uses UAD products due to a move away from a laptop based DAW (with PMCCIA type card from UAD) to a larger unit I quite often consider whether I would like to get a UAD card for my full featured DAW. I found Brian's OP to be very helpful in regard to my continuing thought process about UAD products.
 
Regards,
 

mmorgan

melmyers
To the jury, I say this: The great thing about topic descriptions on the forum is that you don't have to waste time with anything that doesn't interest or concern you. Brian Brock has done a superior job of summing up the UAD/X3 situation here. The information he's posted here IS helpful and concise. The other threads on this topic have become long, fragmented, confusing and hard to follow.
 
Of the 34 current posts in the thread at this link http://forum.cakewalk.com/UAD-Plugins-in-FX-chain-are-disabled-on-opening-project-in-X3d-but-dont-show-as-disabled-m2952764.aspx, 8 of them are from CakeAlexS, who owns absolutely no UAD gear. (That's nearly 1/4 of the total posts!) If anyone is finding these UAD/X3 threads to be a waste of time, quit reading them. No one is making you involve yourself in something you know nothing about. And frankly, when you constantly post with nothing of substance to add, you waste everyone else's time.
 
The last time I checked, this forum was for ALL Sonar users, and we don't need permission to seek clear solutions to problems.  

Well said Mr. Myers
 
As someone who no longer uses UAD products due to a move away from a laptop based DAW (with PMCCIA type card from UAD) to a larger unit I quite often consider whether I would like to get a UAD card for my full featured DAW. I found Brian's OP to be very helpful in regard to my continuing thought process about UAD products.
 
Regards,
 

Check #14 again. And so the disinformation spreads... Eventually it will become true...
 

brian brock
Sorry to have caused such consternation.  Thanks for letting me try to work out this issue, and yes, unchecking "Always stream audio through FX" was a helpful contribution to the process.  Good job, Alex.

Mustn't forget the smiley :) 
 
To those who jump on the bandwagon on direct attacks towards fellow forum members, I suggest you do your homework first...
There clearly is an agenda, look under the covers.
Saying you can't help somebody with hardware or software X because you don't own or use hardware or software X is ridiculous as long as you bring something to the table, I did, those who are commenting about this, didn't. What the melmyers says is totally false.

DAW Computer $2000.00,,,,,,,,, Upgrading Cakewalk Software with addons over that last 15 years $2000.00,,,,,,,,,Waves Plugins $5500.00,,,,,,,Wavelab $500.00,,,,,,,Using $6600.00 worth of UAD powered plugins and hardware with Sonar X3 (Priceless!!!!!) 
 

X3 -> Edit -> Preferences -> Audio -> Playback and recording -> Turn off "Always stream audio through FX" doesn't fix anything on my system.
 
"You are also quite capable of rolling back to earlier drivers in the meantime." Yes, but then we'll lose 64-bit functionality, and (as fooman pointed out) any new plugins purchased in subsequent updates, like Oxford Inflator, Ocean Way Studios, Pultec MkII, API Channel Strip and others. It's hard to be happy about spending hundreds of dollars in the past few months on plugins that can't be used.
 
Any reasonable person would agree that it's not too much to ask that we actually be able to utilize the deep investments some of us have made in both Sonar and UAD, and that both companies be more forthcoming about why the problems exist and why they're taking months to fix. In the absence of the-whole-truth-and-nothing-but-the-truth, people will draw their own conclusions. You can't change human nature.
 
If people who don't even own UAD systems are getting frustrated just reading about our problems, imagine how we feel, left out in the cold by UA and Cakewalk after thousands of dollars of investment.
 

melmyers
X3 -> Edit -> Preferences -> Audio -> Playback and recording -> Turn off "Always stream audio through FX" doesn't fix anything on my system.

 
X3 -> Edit -> Preferences -> Audio -> Playback and recording -> Turn off "Always stream audio through FX" doesn't fix anything on my system.
 
Oh so that gives you the right to tell everybody else that I contributed nothing when to others it did find it helpful, and do some sort of post count that somehow proves that I'm being unhelpful??? Nice angle but as you or I know, or anybody else who has read the threads - deeply unfair and flawed, still it suited your agenda didn't it?? Which leads to the next paragraphs you write.
 
 

melmyers
"You are also quite capable of rolling back to earlier drivers in the meantime." Yes, but then we'll lose 64-bit functionality, and (as fooman pointed out) any new plugins purchased in subsequent updates, like Oxford Inflator, Ocean Way Studios, Pultec MkII, API Channel Strip and others. It's hard to be happy about spending hundreds of dollars in the past few months on plugins that can't be used.

 
What you say is understandable and I'm sure deeply frustrating.
Still it is a valid workaround, I say WORKAROUND, not solution.
 
 

melmyers
 Any reasonable person would agree that it's not too much to ask that we actually be able to utilize the deep investments some of us have made in both Sonar and UAD, and that both companies be more forthcoming about why the problems exist and why they're taking months to fix. In the absence of the-whole-truth-and-nothing-but-the-truth, people will draw their own conclusions. You can't change human nature.
 
If people who don't even own UAD systems are getting frustrated just reading about our problems, imagine how we feel, left out in the cold by UA and Cakewalk after thousands of dollars of investment.
 

 
To say you are left out in the cold by Cakewalk is TOTALY FALSE, did you actually read what they said? (thread #2).
Let me paste it again..
 

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Its possible that this issue is also a side effect of the plugin chaining API. All versions of SONAR since 8.5 use this custom UA API that we implemented for them years ago.
 
I was in touch with UA fairly recently about this and their response was that this API is no longer actively supported by them at the host level and only used by them internally now. I was also told that they would add a remedy from their end. From our side I have now removed custom UA chaining support from SONAR for the next X3 update so hopefully this shouldn't be an issue going forward.
BTW this isn't really specific to X3 technically - the only reason that you see a difference in behavior is because the UAD driver seems to be testing for a specific SONAR version and masking the error messages - which is why the some UAD warning messages started popping up in X3.

 
 
 
Go and have a good moan on UAD's forums... I have heard quite enough from you. Cake already made their statement and  told you what they and UAD is going to do, so do what you wish to achieve by stating your issue over and over and over again, thread after thread, and biting the hand off people who try to help you. It will get nowhere. Go and make music.

Anderton
I am using UA's plugs but simply avoid the things that people say cause problems, like putting a non-UA effect in between UA effects.
 

Hi, Craig. The way I understood the explanation of this I got from Noel was that this is actually just a notification regarding additional latency (for hosts that do not have automatic delay compensation), that UA had suppressed this message for previous versions of Sonar, but hasn't updated the code yet to account for X3. So, unless I misunderstood him, the pop-up is annoying, but doesn't actually indicate that the chain of plugins won't work.

There you go again, CakeAlexS. You've made 10 of the 29 posts so far in this thread, many simply being defensive and condescending to those of us who only want UAD & X3 to work like they should together.
 
And if there's a negative tone here, you started it. "I'm getting rather annoyed" "go and complain at the UAD forums instead" "live with it" "if I see the letters UAD again I might explode" "Your information may or may not be helpful"
 
I will say no more about this. From the looks of some of the other posts here, people are correctly drawing their own conclusions. They don't need you or me to tell them what to think.