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  • 1 MIDI track -> multiple VSTI's possible?
2013/12/31 21:21:06
Nash
Let's say I have a single MIDI drum track going into... say, Steven Slate Drums. Now, I want to layer the SSD kick with another sample I made with Kontakt. Is there a way to have this single MIDI drum track trigger MIDI for both SSD and Kontakt?
 
Currently I see no way to do this, and I am forced to do the following:
 
Select only the kick MIDI notes, paste to new MIDI track, set the output to Kontakt. So now I have 2 copies of the kick MIDI. That's kind of hacky.
2013/12/31 22:42:43
robert_e_bone
That is the only way I have ever been able to figure out how to do that sort of thing - I do it with layered keyboard sounds all the time, but it is usually easier for me, since I just copy whole clips rather than having to copy particular events.
 
Bob Bone
 
2013/12/31 23:22:10
joden
Use the split note to track CAL  - this will auto place each separate note from the drum part to individual tracks, then you can route each track (in effect each drum instrument) to whatever vst you want to use :-) you can load two or three different drum vst's  if you like!
 
So from the top bar menu line select:
PROCESS > Run Cal  scroll down to Split Note to Tracks then select your source track - enter, then select the first destination track - enter and off you go :-)
2014/01/01 01:57:45
Kev999
Nash
...I want to layer the SSD kick with another sample I made with Kontakt. Is there a way to have this single MIDI drum track trigger MIDI for both SSD and Kontakt?



If you are using a drum map it is possible to map different notes to different softsynths.  You would still need to use 2 separate notes for the kick drum but they will at least be in the same midi track.
2014/01/01 11:45:52
Nash
So I take it that it's not possible then. The whole idea was to avoid having 2 separate MIDI tracks of the same instrument.
 
I'm fine with separating each drum as separate MIDI tracks (kick, snare, toms, cymbals etc all on separate MIDI tracks), in fact it's what I do anyway (on larger projects).
 
But if I want to layer the kick using both SSD and Kontakt (for example), or layer snares from 3 different VSTis, I'd have to create many copies of the same thing.
 
If at a later time I need to edit the kick pattern, I'd have to delete all of the extra copies, and leave behind only 1 copy, do the edits, the re-copy it to the other layers. This has the disadvantage of me not being able to hear the final composite layered sound when I click on the notes in the PRV because I am only able to work on 1 kick while editing.
 
I am aware of "copy as linked clips" but again I feel this is kind of unnecessary (and might be prone to user errors as far as clip management goes, ALSO this still exhibits the problem where I cannot hear the final layered sound while doing this, clicking on the note in the PRV will only play the sound of the currently selected MIDI track), where as a "MIDI Send" of sorts would make much more sense.
 
Thanks anyway.
2014/01/01 11:58:45
Anderton
Nash
Let's say I have a single MIDI drum track going into... say, Steven Slate Drums. Now, I want to layer the SSD kick with another sample I made with Kontakt. Is there a way to have this single MIDI drum track trigger MIDI for both SSD and Kontakt?



If you have the Steven Slate Drums library for Kontakt, create a multi that loads your Kontakt drum sample and the Steve Slate sounds as separate instruments. Then you can set them both to the same MIDI channel and respond to the same notes.
 
Layering within a multi-timbral instrument is the simplest way to layer parts. This assumes the part can be identical for both tracks, but that doesn't seem like it would be a problem for you.
2014/01/01 12:02:44
joden
Ahhh...my bad, I misunderstood. Yes it's a pity CW does not seem to allow multiple "outs" from a single MIDI track...maybe using some form of virtual midi router (LoopMidi et al) and a Rewire facility perhaps?
2014/01/01 12:03:23
scook
Maybe starting here could provide a solution
2014/01/01 13:34:24
SilkTone
You would be able to do this if you had a VSTi that simply passes MIDI events straight through. In that case the VSTi's output can be selected as input to multiple MIDI tracks.
 
The plugin I used to demo the VSTi output bugs can probably be used for that (it has a mode to simply pass MIDI events out again), however it is 32-bit only. You can download it here.
 
I'm sure there has to be other VSTi plugins that can do that. If not I might consider creating a simple VSTi plugin (32 and 64 bit) for just that purpose if there is enough interest.
 
EDIT: I just confirmed that it works with the simple VSTi from that link (using Sonar 64-bit). I was able to add the VSTi and put a MIDI clip on its MIDI track. Then I added SI-String Section and SI-Electric Piano and set both's input to the "Sonar MIDI Bugs" plugin. You have to turn Midi Echo on on both tracks. When I played it back, both soft synths played the MIDI clip.
2014/01/01 17:40:15
Kev999
joden
Yes it's a pity CW does not seem to allow multiple "outs" from a single MIDI track...



Yes it's a pity.  There was a lot of discussion on this subject a few years ago.  Several feature requests were submitted to Cakewalk but nothing ever became of it.
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