Artdude
No X2b  =  No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer!
 
"nuff said"
 
Tim
PS: For more info see thread X2b or not to be... Yeah, another 

I am not at all intending to defend anything or bash you for your post or any of that sort of thing.
 
I did review your recent posts, and there have only been a small number of topics you have participated in.  That is neither good or bad, however it does not seem to me that you have expressed anywhere in the Sonar forums that you have any significant workflow stoppages due to any particular problems with Sonar, so I have to say that I do not quite understand your demand for a patch release for which you have not indicated any specific need for.
 
The X2a update, which was the last, literally fixed over 250 different bugs, and I am QUITE sure that whatever the next release is, it WILL have some additional features, and WILL also address some large number of bugs, whether or not it is released as a maintenance release or a new release.
 
I do say this to you, there are QUITE a few folks here in the forum, and the Cakewalk folks do read and jump in too, from time to time, that are quite willing to assist anyone who posts an issue.  I spend approximately 15-20 hours a week reading through posts, doing research, and responding to issues that I can help with, and there are many other folks who invest that level of time and effort on the behalf of the Sonar community as well.
 
SOOOO, I would suggest that you figure out which specific issues you would like assistance with, put out individual threads for each of these issues, with as much detail as you can, and we here in the forum community will, as we do for everybody, do our best to either guide you to the appropriate documentation, actually help you solve or resolve each issue, or try to come up with one or more workarounds as needed, so that you can perform your audio processing using X2a.
 
It all starts with YOU posting threads on each and every issue you are having, so that we can help you get them resolved or find other ways of doing what you need doing.
 
There are lots of folks using X2a for production processing, as their main DAW for earning money, and you should be able to do so as well, as long as you get your system stable and learn what you need to know to be able to use X2a - NOTE: there are some system things that need to be at certain levels, and also settings need to be done appropriately, etc., for all of this to work, but that applies to ANY DAW, whether or not it is Sonar, Pro Tools, etc.
 
We ARE here to help you - that is what this forum is for, and there are lots of good folks who gladly donate time and effort to help others get things working properly.
 
OK?  I WILL keep an eye out for posts for any issues you are having, and WILL do my best to help you.  It is ENTIRELY upon YOU to put in the effort to post your issues and remain engaged with us in the process of getting any or all of them resolved.
 
Bob Bone :)
 

i have a problem with cw's strategy of customer blackout..
 
i mean the one that says, "we're only interested in new customers, so we're in a features race with cubase... we don't care if customers who have been using our product for years are dissatisfied with our buggy product and our lack of communication and our lack of fixing the bugs that have been identified. because we're too busy working on x3." or recommending that uncompressed video is the way to go in sonar.
 
vegas went through a similar stretch last summer, but they got their act together and even initiated an expanded beta program, asking current forum members to test the upcoming release. got my trust back.
 
i'll say it: i no longer trust that cw has my back as my daw vendor. sad after so many years...

Well, personally, I don't believe CW to be totally apathetic to our issues or concerns (I can't speak for Roland, however--I don't know them at all, and I'm not 100% happy with any of the Roland products that I own; they still may be a great company compared to Yamaha). I know how developing a very complex product loaded with tons of features on an old frame can be. Just look at the videos and the Reference Guide to see how packed out this software is with functionality and flexibility. Plus, as we've seen, it's likely there is a lower number of developers on staff. At least, that's the perception I have. With that in mind, every time we punish the company for lack of involvement or lack of updates, I'm sure the teams there are more and more deflated thinking they'll never catch up to make us all happy. I'd apologize to the developers themselves, but the strategy team(s) I don't envy. You guys aren't winning battles with us, and it sucks, I know.
 
Let me ask this one simple question to Cakewalk customers, and I don't need a response: Would 100% of all Cakewalk X2 customers like to see X2b, whether or not it fixes every reported issue or even revisited Take Lanes, or would 100% of Cakewalk X2 customers want to give up X2 for X3?

Hi,
Yeah,I read,and watched a vid of the new Logic X,and the drummer situation[silouettes of people as drummers!,with "names"!] with how it seems to work, looked quite interesting,and for $200 it does seems a pretty good deal,but no 32 bit plugs,64 bit AU only which seems a bit dumb,when Logic 9 64 bit had a bridge......they just decided to exclude it this time.
 
I have to admit I'am apple intrigued,as there are some Win things I truly hate-backing up,being the worst,but the only semi affordable HW,seems to be the mac mini,so who knows if i'll ever go there.
 
Iv'e only used a computer,so I could learn to use a Daw since April 2011,and man it took me along time to get my first project done,so even though exporting gives me hassle[it's this dell xps L502x laptop]like sometimes only actually completing the export on the 5th or so try[works perfect with signature desktop,but it's either freezing,or too hot down that end of this house,plus- I'm having a hate/hate relationship,with my "nearfield" KRK G2 5" monitors,my 1/2 Tannoy stereo setup is far clearer-I only mix at low volume-sorry long "bracketed" rave!],but I love the way I know it now,and I went and bought Harrison Mixbuss recently,and it's truly like starting all over again,plus it's 32 bit,and lots of my plugins don't work,but after finally importing a raw mix,I must say IT has a NICE sound,but it'll be a long while before I'm multitracking with it.
 
I also have had a similar experience with the free Samplitude 11,nice sound,but fluency,is a long way off,no all I can say is good luck Herman with your NEW choice,but keep X2 around,it might surprise you.
Bob

Jackdied
I think the most of  "happy w x2a " users are not working in industry. Maybe these little issues are not a big deal for them.  But trust me i could loose my client and can not pay  my  flat rents  just because of a single crash. So every single bug are potential troubles for my business.  That's why i'm coming here and looking for X2b update everyday. Thats why I am impatient. Please  understand my/our situation.
 
ahh also sorry for my English.

Clients come and go. I don't care what they think about software or computers. They pay me for my professional knowledge and skills. I guess I just don't run into clients that have never seen a computer crash before. But I do read so many posts on here about losing clients because the software did this or that in front them. As a professional it is your responsibility to know the limitations of the tools you use. I don't get it maybe someone will take the time to clue me in. 

For me the equation is No $$$ = no X3. I've out purchased my funds this year. ;-)
 
Regards,

Maybe, Cakewalk deliver an X2b and it is nothing more than a placebo it will please some folks. Just that no! It cannot happen because I believe in the integrity of the company. But, sometimes the "panty teasing" actually works. (sorry ladies).
Cubase came to the 64 bit platform about 10 years after Cakewalk. And, just about all others as well.
At this point I hope Cakewalk have another innovative leap up its sleeve. Or, an X3 with enough oomph to draw the malcontents back.
Regardless, I work around the limitations of Sonar and supplement it with a free market arsenal of 3rd party products, for my necessity. The most important factor is: Sonar X series, I have had a few crashes, which were always related to a 3rd party older product; but most significantly, I have never lost any data.

rabeach

Jackdied
I think the most of  "happy w x2a " users are not working in industry. Maybe these little issues are not a big deal for them.  But trust me i could loose my client and can not pay  my  flat rents  just because of a single crash. So every single bug are potential troubles for my business.  That's why i'm coming here and looking for X2b update everyday. Thats why I am impatient. Please  understand my/our situation.
 
ahh also sorry for my English.

Clients come and go. I don't care what they think about software or computers. They pay me for my professional knowledge and skills. I guess I just don't run into clients that have never seen a computer crash before. But I do read so many posts on here about losing clients because the software did this or that in front them. As a professional it is your responsibility to know the limitations of the tools you use. I don't get it maybe someone will take the time to clue me in. 

Agreed - which is why I turned off autozoon to avoid the mexican wave. Some bugs didn't have workarounds. If I needed to move a clip, for instance, it would jump around everywhere apart from where I needed it. Really frustrating.

brconflict
Well, personally, I don't believe CW to be totally apathetic to our issues or concerns (I can't speak for Roland, however--I don't know them at all, and I'm not 100% happy with any of the Roland products that I own; they still may be a great company compared to Yamaha). I know how developing a very complex product loaded with tons of features on an old frame can be. Just look at the videos and the Reference Guide to see how packed out this software is with functionality and flexibility. Plus, as we've seen, it's likely there is a lower number of developers on staff. At least, that's the perception I have. With that in mind, every time we punish the company for lack of involvement or lack of updates, I'm sure the teams there are more and more deflated thinking they'll never catch up to make us all happy. I'd apologize to the developers themselves, but the strategy team(s) I don't envy. You guys aren't winning battles with us, and it sucks, I know.
 
Let me ask this one simple question to Cakewalk customers, and I don't need a response: Would 100% of all Cakewalk X2 customers like to see X2b, whether or not it fixes every reported issue or even revisited Take Lanes, or would 100% of Cakewalk X2 customers want to give up X2 for X3?

 My advice to Cake is - no more features at the moment. The priority should be absolutely stability - squash as many bugs as possible in X2. Win people back. Get them using X2 again.
 
Then make sure X3 absolutely kicks arse when it comes out.
 
Simple

Who's to say they wouldn't do the same thing with X3... So for me I would like to see X2b before I put anymore money into Sonar Products (I actually just upgraded to X2 a couple of months ago... I should have waited longer)
p.s. I too have been using cakewalk products since the 12 tone days, will just have to see what comes before my money gets spent, here or somewhere else though in either case it will be a while