X2b or not to be... Yeah, another

Many thanks to all the Cakewalk team and many helpful forum members...

The survey and other goings on have been both welcome and "scary"...

Scary in the sense that I feel an undertow of another skipped release... I pray (non religiously) that I'm way off base...

My apologies to all for yet another X2b plea an panic...

Keni

I worry too Keni. It's so hard to predict what's going on in Cake land. Was the new forum something to soothe the masses in lieu of an update? Who knows.
 
I can see some logic in what they are doing. For example, layers were not perfect but why spend a penny on making them perfect when you know the next release will feature take lanes. It doesn't matter what happens to those using a feature that will never be worked on again.
 
We all may be waiting for improvements to a certain feature we value. Cakewalk may decide that 2 releases out , the feature will be gone or replaced by something different. We are all making guesses as to what's really going on.

I will not pay for fixes to X2. They will either have to include some serious plugins I want (I mostly upgraded to get R-Mix and along with that and TH2 the hundred bucks was worth it) or release a patch for X2 before X3. Otherwise I will just install Reaper to cover the the things Sonar isn't doing for me and save up for Cubase. Paying for a new release seems silly because then there will just be a bunch of new problems that need to be patched and I'm not falling into that cycle. I'd still use X2 for the things I like about it which is plentiful but I've hit far too many walls when I try to make it do more complex functions.
 
Sorry, Cake. Business is business. Money is money. Time is time. You could have a loyal customer for life if you simply make it work. Please make it work. Go through every feature in the manual and test it. If it doesn't work, fix it or remove it. By page 700 I had about a 20% failure rate.
 
Don't mean to be negative and I'm sure you guys are whipping up a patch as we speak but there it is... from a new and hopeful customer starting to lose patience and interest. Heck... put 8.5 back up for sale and let us newcomers download it free/cheap. Maybe that would solve some problems.
 
Cheers.

So, who is not blaming Steinberg for selling a Cubase 7 before fixing all the issues in Cubase 6.
Same can be said for Propellerhead Reason, I suppose.
 
Then. Did Microsoft make a blunder with Vista, then made us pay for Widows 7? ...and so on, and so on...

Oh... and I did not drop a dime into Vista. I tried it. I hated it. I waited and bought 7. I've seen 8 and I know I won't like it so I'll stick with 7. Why would I pay for something that isn't gonna do what I want it to? That's all it comes down to for me. I have loyalty to people (like some of the awesome folks I've met here and even some of the Bakers who have helped me out), not inanimate objects or corporations.
 
Again... I love X2. It just needs some fixin'.
 

ampfixer
I worry too Keni. It's so hard to predict what's going on in Cake land. Was the new forum something to soothe the masses in lieu of an update? Who knows.
...

It backfired.

simpleman
So, who is not blaming Steinberg for selling a Cubase 7 before fixing all the issues in Cubase 6.Same can be said for Propellerhead Reason, I suppose. Then. Did Microsoft make a blunder with Vista, then made us pay for Widows 7? ...and so on, and so on...

No! I blame Cakewalk. :)

lol... intentional triple post?
 
I am hopeful though. New forum. More activity from the Bakers. Implications they're cookin' something up. I'm gonna take these as good signs.

simpleman

Beepster
Oh... and I did not drop a dime into Vista. I tried it. I hated it. I waited and bought 7. I've seen 8 and I know I won't like it so I'll stick with 7. Why would I pay for something that isn't gonna do what I want it to? That's all it comes down to for me. I have loyalty to people (like some of the awesome folks I've met here and even some of the Bakers who have helped me out), not inanimate objects or corporations.
 
Again... I love X2. It just needs some fixin'.
 

Before Vista. Cakewalk was probably the only DAW, with Sonar, to be developed for the 64 bit OS. I suppose Cakewalk products are too integrated into the Microsoft OS'es. Steinberg went 64 bit only at Widows 7.
Steinberg, Reaper, Studio One etc. they are all coded more independent of the Operating System and thus able to "wrap" the OS around them. This probably is a weakness of Cakewalk's way of Sonar; being more dependent on the advancement of Windows.
Its July '13 already: Should Cakewalk give us what has been coded for their next cycle as a free update, as X2b? Then it most likely will not fix 100 percent of issues for 100 percent of end users. Then a demand for X2c will emerge. At which point Steinberg releases Cubase 8 as Sonar users demands perfection at X2x and so on.........

Uh, sorry but there are certain features that have been touted over and over again that still have bugs in them after the A patch. I don't expect perfection anymore but when I encounter weird problems and outright broken features (with confirmation) any time I start trying to do something in depth then yes, something is wrong. There is no reason not to expect at least one more patch for X2. Heck... X1 got 4 of them. You seem to have confused me with one of the serial Cake bashers. I've been pretty positive and supportive. If they expect me to pay for simple fixes to obvious bugs... that will change. I won't run around here slagging them. I will just do what needs to be done.
 
Seriously, my money. My computer. My choice. Just like it is Cakewalk's choice to release a patch or a paid upgrade. Business is business. Not sure why my decisions would bother you in the slightest.

The software industry is the only industry that does not have to have a complete product at the point of sale.  Windows has had a couple of bugs that were there in Windows 3.0 and are still there at Windows 8. It's the nature of the beast.
 
 

I don't mind limiting the number of times I reinstall the software. Give me what's next when it is ready.

I have to admit I'm a tad disappointed that Cakewalk has not issued an update since X2a. I've watched other DAW suppliers issue multiple updates (4) since their initial release. One of them has an active 'beta' available for their 5th update. I'm not expecting Cakewalk to provide details of what their strategic initiatives are but I would think that providing their customers with some, limited, information would just be good customer relations.
 
The recent poll(s) LOL, the webinar and the upgrade to the forum software were all positive signs but what is going on with their flagship product? Inquiring minds want to know! I am a mostly satisfied customer but ongoing threads of this type lead me to believe I am not alone scratching my head wondering what is going on with Cakewalk.
 
Regards,

WDI

Skyline_UK

ampfixerI worry too Keni. It's so hard to predict what's going on in Cake land. Was the new forum something to soothe the masses in lieu of an update? Who knows....

It backfired.

Think your joking with the multiple post?

Of course not.
The forum software is completely up the shoot.  Either I can't post at all (80% of the time) or my posts appear more than once.
Let's see what happens to this one.  if it's multiple - sorry, it's not my fault.

Hi Gang...
 
Lets face it... ALL the companies pull assorted shenanigans as well as try to guess what to focus on... Cakewalk is no different and for their' history, they have been better than the rest at staying in touch with their user base... Remember what it's like on a freeway when it's bumper to bumper...? If you change lanes thinking to move faster, you usually then watch all the cars in the lane you left move forward while you sit and wait some more... ;-) "Jumping ship" and going with a competitor will not usually be an advantage to us... Only to the new company you affiliate with as you deal with their' shortcomings after getting over enthusiasm with the things it has more together than where you came from! ;-)
 
But everything changes... and Cakewalk is for sure...
 
With the tone of the surveys and the lack of any statements I'm guessing there's gonna be yet another add-on for sale this year instead of a new release.... and maybe a free update at the same time... Another 2-year wait for a full upgrade... I shudder to think.......... Yesterday I did a mix session on some live tracks I did for a band's video a few weeks ago... Simple stuff... 3-piece rock band... But with all the lane/zoom issues it took forever fiddling with changing/adjusting zooms repeatedly... Yeah, I know... It's me and I haven't learned how the new software works yet.... Huh? I'm sure there are plenty of things I don't know, but with daily use of X since it's release I believe I'm more than reasonably familiar with it...
 
From the questions in the survey's it sounds as if they've been busy on another planet and are now wondering what to start working on now that they're back...
 
I sure hope I'm WAY off base! <sigh>...
 
Keni