I have no idea whether Windows 10 updates will or wont break SONAR, but 1 question I would have is this, if Windows 10 updates can be just brushed aside like they don't matter anymore, and have no baring on the situation, then why when people have come here with problems in the past is one of the first things they get asked is "is your Windows up to date?"  Now if your SONAR problems can be caused by Windows not being up to date, it stands to reason that as Windows keeps moving forward and SONAR remains stagnant, that peoples issues could also arise due to that? So when people come here from now on with issues, are things suddenly going to change, and instead of being asked 'is your Windows up to date?' are they now to be asked 'You haven't updated Windows have you?' . Me being me I am more inclined to think the main reason people with issues now and prior get asked 'is your Windows up to date?' is just to try and put the blame somewhere other than SONAR, because we all know SONAR has no issues but that's just me.
 
Myself I don't believe in the 'is your Windows up to date?" straw man, I have never kept Windows up to date and never had any issues, my current Windows 10 installations all have Windows update disabled (Pro and Home versions) are permanently connected to the net, and woefully out of date, and I have zero issues, and from my experience that isn't likely to change.
 
SONAR, is it possible that due to its stagnant nature it can be broken by Windows update? well if you all thought, as has been suggested here many many times, that not being up to date could be the root of any issues, then yes of course it could.

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I have no idea whether Windows 10 updates will or wont break SONAR, but 1 question I would have is this, if Windows 10 updates can be just brushed aside like they don't matter anymore, and have no baring on the situation, then why when people have come here with problems in the past is one of the first things they get asked is "is your Windows up to date?"  Now if your SONAR problems can be caused by Windows not being up to date, it stands to reason that as Windows keeps moving forward and SONAR remains stagnant, that peoples issues could also arise due to that? So when people come here from now on with issues, are things suddenly going to change, and instead of being asked 'is your Windows up to date?' are they now to be asked 'You haven't updated Windows have you?' . Me being me I am more inclined to think the main reason people with issues now and prior get asked 'is your Windows up to date?' is just to try and put the blame somewhere other than SONAR, because we all know SONAR has no issues but that's just me.
 
Myself I don't believe in the 'is your Windows up to date?" straw man, I have never kept Windows up to date and never had any issues, my current Windows 10 installations all have Windows update disabled (Pro and Home versions) are permanently connected to the net, and woefully out of date, and I have zero issues, and from my experience that isn't likely to change.
 
SONAR, is it possible that due to its stagnant nature it can be broken by Windows update? well if you all thought, as has been suggested here many many times, that not being up to date could be the root of any issues, then yes of course it could.

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I have no idea whether Windows 10 updates will or wont break SONAR, but 1 question I would have is this, if Windows 10 updates can be just brushed aside like they don't matter anymore, and have no baring on the situation, then why when people have come here with problems in the past is one of the first things they get asked is "is your Windows up to date?"  Now if your SONAR problems can be caused by Windows not being up to date, it stands to reason that as Windows keeps moving forward and SONAR remains stagnant, that peoples issues could also arise due to that? So when people come here from now on with issues, are things suddenly going to change, and instead of being asked 'is your Windows up to date?' are they now to be asked 'You haven't updated Windows have you?' . Me being me I am more inclined to think the main reason people with issues now and prior get asked 'is your Windows up to date?' is just to try and put the blame somewhere other than SONAR, because we all know SONAR has no issues but that's just me.
 
Myself I don't believe in the 'is your Windows up to date?" straw man, I have never kept Windows up to date and never had any issues, my current Windows 10 installations all have Windows update disabled (Pro and Home versions) are permanently connected to the net, and woefully out of date, and I have zero issues, and from my experience that isn't likely to change.
 
SONAR, is it possible that due to its stagnant nature it can be broken by Windows update? well if you all thought, as has been suggested here many many times, that not being up to date could be the root of any issues, then yes of course it could.

I have no idea whether Windows 10 updates will or wont break SONAR, but 1 question I would have is this, if Windows 10 updates can be just brushed aside like they don't matter anymore, and have no baring on the situation, then why when people have come here with problems in the past is one of the first things they get asked is "is your Windows up to date?"  Now if your SONAR problems can be caused by Windows not being up to date, it stands to reason that as Windows keeps moving forward and SONAR remains stagnant, that peoples issues could also arise due to that? So when people come here from now on with issues, are things suddenly going to change, and instead of being asked 'is your Windows up to date?' are they now to be asked 'You haven't updated Windows have you?' . Me being me I am more inclined to think the main reason people with issues now and prior get asked 'is your Windows up to date?' is just to try and put the blame somewhere other than SONAR, because we all know SONAR has no issues but that's just me.
 
Myself I don't believe in the 'is your Windows up to date?" straw man, I have never kept Windows up to date and never had any issues, my current Windows 10 installations all have Windows update disabled (Pro and Home versions) are permanently connected to the net, and woefully out of date, and I have zero issues, and from my experience that isn't likely to change.
 
SONAR, is it possible that due to its stagnant nature it can be broken by Windows update? well if you all thought, as has been suggested here many many times, that not being up to date could be the root of any issues, then yes of course it could.
 
 

I have no idea whether Windows 10 updates will or wont break SONAR, but 1 question I would have is this, if Windows 10 updates can be just brushed aside like they don't matter anymore, and have no baring on the situation, then why when people have come here with problems in the past is one of the first things they get asked is "is your Windows up to date?"  Now if your SONAR problems can be caused by Windows not being up to date, it stands to reason that as Windows keeps moving forward and SONAR remains stagnant, that peoples issues could also arise due to that? So when people come here from now on with issues, are things suddenly going to change, and instead of being asked 'is your Windows up to date?' are they now to be asked 'You haven't updated Windows have you?' . Me being me I am more inclined to think the main reason people with issues now and prior get asked 'is your Windows up to date?' is just to try and put the blame somewhere other than SONAR, because we all know SONAR has no issues but that's just me.
 
Myself I don't believe in the 'is your Windows up to date?" straw man, I have never kept Windows up to date and never had any issues, my current Windows 10 installations all have Windows update disabled (Pro and Home versions) are permanently connected to the net, and woefully out of date, and I have zero issues, and from my experience that isn't likely to change.
 
SONAR, is it possible that due to its stagnant nature it can be broken by Windows update? well if you all thought, as has been suggested here many many times, that not being up to date could be the root of any issues, then yes of course it could.
 
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Matron Landslide
Me being me I am more inclined to think the main reason people with issues now and prior get asked 'is your Windows up to date?' is just to try and put the blame somewhere other than SONAR, because we all know SONAR has no issues but that's just me.

I think there are obvious cases where a windows update 'caused' an issue, like for example where a user's HDMI audio driver was re-enabled by an update despite the user's previous preference that it be disabled. Is it a Windows Update issue - not really. Has it created issues for users? Absolutely. http://forum.cakewalk.com/More-crashes-in-the-last-few-days-than-in-the-past-5-years-Solved-m3669151.aspx Though it is easy enough to look for and resolve by anyone who is familiar with the issue. Sometimes the update itself changes something - security updates, etc are another example - potentially good or bad. Another common one is where Windows changes a manufacturer specific driver for a generic system one. 
 
FWIW I just bought Studio One Pro 3 in a Black Friday sale, as the 'least less desirable alternative' available - and while I have come to like it over-all, it is far from bug / problem free. For a simple example, I have an issue where Studio 1 asks to be reactivated on each system restart. The Presonus tech support folk acknowledged that there is no current fix and that this occurs when the user has Win 10 1709 (Fall Creators Update) installed. 
 
IMO it's not reasonable to suggest either that only SONAR is affected by Windows updates - or that there is no potential for an adverse impact from an update - to any DAW.
Maybe SONAR was more sensitive to Windows updates than for example Studio One is - However it had/has a helluva lot more features and capabilities and was/is far more polished as a DAW. The Reaper guys always bring up how portable/small/solid Reaper is. If I ever need to run my DAW from a flash drive it'll be the first one I reach for.
 
 

Matron Landslide
 
Myself I don't believe in the 'is your Windows up to date?" straw man,

When Cakewalk was creating/coding new Sonar updates, they were using the latest Visual, C++ and Dot.net Framework. You cant expect to run a software that needs Microsoft net framework 3.5 on a PC that has 3.0 installed.
 
Were not talking about Microsoft security updates (I don't even install those) Were talking about essential components needed to run newer software programs.
that's not a strawman argument, that's a fact.
 

bitflipper
Back when I worked for a computer manufacturer, one of my customers was a nuclear power plant. Talk about software you can't allow to fail - ever. The first time I spoke with them, I was surprised at how far out of date they were with the O/S. ...
That's when I first had the term "mission-critical" explained to me.

I had similar experiences, also working decades for a computer manufacturer.  These situations come up in hospitals and many other cases.  Large IT organizations, even ones that aren't involved in life-and-death matters, have rigorous change control policies.  (I suspect that is a discipline that was largely lost over the past 20 years as mainframes gave way to less professionally managed servers, but I expect that discipline is coming back.)
 
What you describe is always a difficult decision.  If you completely freeze systems, you cause other problems that can be as bad as not protecting systems.  I had some involvement wit the FAA, NASA, and USPS over the years.  There were some really archaic systems there for which you could no longer get parts or support.  Most organizations put their mission critical stuff on tight change control, but not complete freezes (although temporary freezes are common during heavy periods).
 

bitflipper
Ah, but what about Microsoft, you say? They could break us at any moment.
 
If you're a pro and that worries you, do what the nuclear power plant did. Take your DAW offline and freeze it in a stable state.

Absolutely.  Look at the absurdity of the Iranian nuclear program where their control systems were online and that allowed hackers (from the US and/or Israel) to destroy a bunch of centrifuges.
 
If a recording studio business is dependent on a DAW, that DAW should be disconnected.  If you need to get to the web, use another computer for any downloads or other access.  Plan brief periods of connectivity where you will apply patches to the OS and apps, then take them offline again.  And always save a complete system image before each one of those cycles.
 
If a person does that, they should be able to use the software another decade easily.

Me being an amateur In the world of the music business I have a suggestion
 
If you have Sonar in a business situation--
Stay off the Internet and make a ghost Image of your set up
That way if all is running perfectly at the moment it always will.
Your operating system will be ok also. No need for updates
 
Untill you go back on the net!!
Why worry if things are working. keep making music
You can upgrade at will when you decide