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2013/01/28 03:06:46
John
I have to agree with you JC. Rant or no rant. I think you have very good point.

On the other hand though it appears that Opera works, IE works and Chrome works. Could it be that Firefox is the odd man out and wont work for its own reasons? 

  I like Firefox but after moving over to Opera I am very happy with Opera. 
2013/01/28 03:11:17
backwoods
This forum is definetly pretty kooky.

Still not as bad as the iLok site though- I have to use an ancient version of Firefox to authorize my plugins with those guys.
2013/01/28 03:11:44
Kev999
As I recall, the old forum software worked better, before Cakewalk switched over to the current one a couple of years ago.  No reason was given for the switch.

2013/01/28 04:18:20
guitardood
John


What you say may be true but the problem is that most users in the world use an MS OS with IE as their browser. You may not like it but there is no other standard as far as I can tell. This tiny forum is not and never will be the real world (meaning larger) in how forums work. 

As for a stable OSs XP was and so was Vista and Win 7 and now Win 8. As far as I can tell OSX is perhaps 15 % of the total market for computing. Maybe more maybe less. When I tried to use Open Suse for audio 64 bits I had nothing but problems. I found that Windows was easy and stable and things just worked. No one supported the kind of hardware I use for audio under linux and I am not in the market for any Apple product even if it were given to me. 

I like Windows and trust it. I don't use IE and like Opera. I have the option to use a buch of browsers if I choose. But when it comes down to it their a lot of companies out there that hate MS and don't help in assuring browser compatibility. Java was created by Sun Microsystems to help them in their ongoing battle against MS. It was not allowed to be used by MS in their browser. What all this means is us the end user gets screwed. 

What should be done is a commission setup to create standards for browsers independent of any corporate interests that we the end user can rely on.

One last thing to keep in mind. Before MS decided to bundle its browser with the OS most browsers cost money. Sometimes a lot of money. Now we choose our browser at no cost to us.  


Hey John,
      No offense, but I'd like to offer just a few clarifications.


      Java is just a programming language that runs in a Virtual Machine.  The VM's were set up to offer web programmers a real programming language to offer applications via a browser.  The problem between MS & Sun arose when MS (ironically the company soooo concerned about people not paying for software) did not want to pay Sun for their usurpation of Sun's intellectual property.  If you install Sun's Java, it functions in IE just the same as in FF or Chrome or Safari.  You just don't have a MS Java engine and rightly so.


      As for standards, W3C (http:/www.w3.org) is the consortium set up to be the manufacturer independent standards group of which MS is a member.  It is unfortunate that MS doesn't adhere to those standards despite the wealth of real developers who are trying to program to those standards.   I've spent the last two years working on a new web-based application development platform that works in every browser without modification except for IE.  The big joke is that IE stands for IF...ELSE which need to have all over your code to maintain IE compatibility.  I don't hate MS, I just don't care about MS any more because of their own unwillingness to comply with the very standards which they helped to create.

      As for OS stability, the next time you feel your system is running stable, open up the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and check out the number of warnings and errors that have occurred for which you have never been informed.  On a Windows server, these can sometimes be severe errors indicating imminent failure that the end user doesn't find out about until said failure.  I've actually found hard-drive bad-sector errors in the log that were never presented to the user despite their prophecy of impending catastrophic failure.  Check out Microsoft's Services applet (services.msc) and look at the list of running services (half of which are irrelevant to a DAW) that are eating precious CPU cycles and occupying memory.   I wouldn't recommend shutting them down if you're not sure of what you are doing, but suffice to say that there is enough bloat to be able to gain significant performance advantages is those services are disabled.   Don't get me wrong, XP was one of the best OS's from MS thus far and Vista (properly patched) and Win7 were pretty good though I wouldn't call them stable, just more stable than previous versions.

     In regards to browser availability, Netscape Navigator was always available for free download even after being taken over by AOL.  After MS' big faux pas (missing the importance of the online paradigm shift) they decided to create their own non-standard standards in a typical anti-compeitive antagonistic attempt to take over the entire online industry rather than work with the already established businesses and standards at the time.

     Lastly, your statement about "most people of the world using Windows" may have been the case, but the winds of change are upon us. People are getting more and more tired of having to pay big money for being MS' beta testers.  There are plenty of companies and municipalities (both nationally and internationally) switching to to some open-source solution including some type of Linux desktop and OpenOffice, that are more than purely anecdotal at this point.  As an example:City of Munich makes the move to open source on desktops ...

     I don't really care which company wins, just so that the real winner is the end-user.



Best,
guitardood

2013/01/28 04:22:29
Swiller
They should just use vbulletin instead. It is the same price as a copy of sonar x2. So hardly going to break the bank. I too get glitches and stuff not loading. Vbulletin is the forum standard, which is why so many people use it and most people can access with all browsers. 

That said it is not hard for us to choose a browser. I use about 3 of them. On Firefox  my posts are unformatted on here,  so it doesn't recognise paragraphs. It is not the first time Firefox has caused issues on other parts of the web, so chrome or ie is the way to go for trouble free browsing IMHO.
2013/01/28 05:38:22
Kev999
As I recall, the old forum software worked better, before Cakewalk switched over to the current one a couple of years ago.  No reason was given for the switch. 

I just checked as it's been 3½ years, with lots of complaints during that time.  A lot of issues were first reported in this thread:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=1777486

Maybe some of the initial problems got fixed, I don't know.
2013/01/28 06:05:00
twaddle
I really didn't like IE9 (still no mouse wheel support, pathetic) and if I could only ever use firefox I would be happy.
So I have to remember to switch to chrome if I want to respond to any posts, which I often forget to do so it's very annoying.

Chrome has worked up until I started pm'ing someone a few weeks ago. Firstly I noticed that previous messages don't exist.
Most messages we send these days are viewed as a conversation so despite the fact that I've sent dozens of massages my,
"sent" box is empty.  Then I noticed that it's sending the messages I sent to someone else straight back to me. 
It says I have 2 new messages but they are the ones I just sent. And just like Fog I have had loads of messages not being sent on account
of server issues. So chrome can't do it !!!!!

Steve
2013/01/28 06:17:13
Bristol_Jonesey
Steve - I pm'ed you twice this morning and both times I've had an "Internal server 500 error", so I don't know if they got through or not.
2013/01/28 06:33:46
jamesg1213
^^^^ same thing when trying to report a spammer, change avatar, edit a post, add a homepage (got that after 4 tries) and send a PM. It appears to be getting worse.
2013/01/28 09:00:38
Mystic38
+1
 
randyman


(i know, sorry)

The OP is blaming cake for the forum software - which they didn't write.  While they do have control over what is used for the forum, I don't know of any bb sftware that is perfect all for all 12 (or ever how many variations there are) brands/versions of browsers that the users may use.

This BY FAR is one of the absolute best user supported forums anywhere.  The fact that not everyone is having an issue is more indicative that is a user/browser/os issue.

Just my two cents on the rant.


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