Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
Hi Everyone,
As of course you noticed, we made a pretty major change to the forum. Its getting really hard for us to keep up with all of your thoughts/requests due to all the separate threads so please consolidate them into this one thread which we'll be checking periodically.
Thanks,
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SteveJL
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 10:18:53
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I think a lot of us would like a Darker theme, at least a little less chromey/blue, but not the Neon Nightmare theme, please nooooooooooooo  Thanks Willy
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 10:24:36
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 10:30:07
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Hi,
On the password side of things for the login ... can you remove that 4 character thing bologne?
There are some folks in here that have really bad eye sight due to eye surgeries and that recheck is the most inane, immature and stupid thing ever devised by folks that must have an idea that good eye sight equates to superior something or other ... that doesn't have to do with people much!
Yeah, and some colors would be nice ... these generic unix old timer folks (or php) ... need to come up to snuff plz!
Thx a bunch
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 10:32:05
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Hi Willy This might just need an adjustment or it might be a bug, but I cannot change my online/offline status. I stay logged in all the time so instead of signing out I check the Hide from online user list option when I'm not on the forums. I'm trapped at 'offline' at the moment though, if I uncheck Hide from online user list and then click on Save I just get the message Signature max. 255 characters - when I go back to the forum I still appear as Offline. Apart from that, I like the changes - especially the additional/easier to use text options  Cheers Steve
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The Text part of the "insert link" doesn't work...
2009/07/23 10:56:25
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The Text part of the "insert link" doesn't work...
also When I preview a post, I can't post directly from the preview, and sometimes the post disappears entirely when I exit the preview... The GUI is too wide... I'm constantly scrolling back and fourth...
post edited by notnat - 2009/07/23 11:36:12
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 12:02:37
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SteveJL
I think a lot of us would like a Darker theme, at least a little less chromey/blue, but not the Neon Nightmare theme, please nooooooooooooo
Thanks Willy
Neon nightmare it is!!! j/k Some new theme options will be available soon.
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 12:08:59
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SteveStrummerUK
Hi Willy Hi Steve This might just need an adjustment or it might be a bug, but I cannot change my online/offline status.
I stay logged in all the time so instead of signing out I check the Hide from online user list option when I'm not on the forums.
I'm trapped at 'offline' at the moment though, if I uncheck Hide from online user list and then click on Save I just get the message Signature max. 255 characters - when I go back to the forum I still appear as Offline.
I'll take a gander at it, though right now you appear online. Sig length: We imported them over from the previous version but this one has a constraint on the max length. I just doubled it, pending it doesn't make the size of our database grow out of control I'll leave it this size. Apart from that, I like the changes - especially the additional/easier to use text options glad to hear it. Best,
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 12:15:47
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I'm pretty sure that most of these won't ever be changed, but here's what I DON'T like about the new forum: 1) it's much slower to load each page. I loved the streamlined fast loading of the old forum. 2) when a page loads in the thread, it loses the focus. I have to click somewhere in the browser window (IE7 and not likely to change!) in order to get the scroll wheel to work. I always hit the scroll wheel as soon as the post page loads, but now I have to click in the post somewhere BEFORE I do that. 3) too much wasted space. there's a lot of space between posts - and it's uncessary. 4) the width of the page is just a little too wide. the end of the posts run off the page on my 19" non-widescreen monitor (at work). there's no need for the avatar area to be as wide as it is - cut it down some so that the post text will fit into the screen (this wasn't a problem on the old forum) 5) tabbing doesn't work the same way it did in the old forum. I am used to replying to a thread, then hitting the tab button which would send the cursor out of the text reply box and into the main box, then I could hit ENTER and it would post the reply. now the tab is used in the reply box itself for "formatting" and I have to actually CLICK on the POST MESSAGE instead of tabbing out. that's a time consuming effort. 6) I now have to manually enter codes for QUOTE, LINK, IMAGE, etc. we don't have the quick buttons above the reply field. we used to be able to highlight a section, click on one of the quick code buttons and it would implement it. now we have to type those codes in manually. what a pain!! and the PGD CODE button doesn't even work - there are no codes in it! 7) it takes 2 clicks to choose a smilie. I have to click on the smilie menu button first then click on a smilie Iwant. the old forum was one click - choices were on the left and you just clicked on one. 8) something keeps wanting to pop up on the forum site but I have pop up blocker on and I don't think it's the PM. I got a PM and it popped up, but occassionally I'll get a message that a pop up from this site wants to pop up, but can't because of my settings. 9) Susan mentioned on another thread that the PM forwarding doesn't work correctly - the text of the message gets left out of the email body. that's all I can think of for now.
post edited by Beagle - 2009/07/23 12:57:11
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 13:09:23
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9) Susan mentioned on another thread that the PM forwarding doesn't work correctly - the text of the message gets left out of the email body. Willy fixed this one a little while ago for posts from subscribed threads anyway. (yay!) I'd really like to get back the ability to move the reply window to a separate monitor. Thanks- -Susan P.S. I'm not seeing the issue some report about losing the reply after a Preview, but it does happen here if I minimize the reply window -- poof, and I have to start again. I'm making sure to copy the text before I try anything, and I'll definitely use my text editor more often than before.
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 13:12:23
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IIRC, the old forum supported dual monitors, where pop-up windows could be moved to another monitor, but that no longer appears to work. Also, it might be nice, if possible, to have an option to not view everybody's Total Post Count, Rewards, etc. below their avatar. This would drastically decrease the scrolling and empty space. As it stands, the minimum "height" of each post is determined by the left-hand information, so short (e.g., 1-3 line) responses end up with a bunch of white space below them. edit: I see Susan and I were typing and thinking about dual monitors at the same time!
post edited by cryophonik - 2009/07/23 13:13:32
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 13:15:13
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+1 to both. Also, it might be nice, if possible, to have an option to not view everybody's Total Post Count, Rewards, etc. below their avatar. This would drastically decrease the scrolling and empty space. As it stands, the minimum "height" of each post is determined by the left-hand information, so short (e.g., 1-3 line) responses end up with a bunch of white space below them. That's the heart of the "padding" problem people are complaining about. I don't need to see all that and I can click on the User Name if I really want to. -Susan
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 13:16:32
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mike_mccue has posted a problem with the images being limited to 800 pixels wide in the forum. that will severly limit helping people with screenshots because you won't be able to read the infomation on the screen shot that has been reduced to that width.
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 13:30:21
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I will actually throw out one compliment for the new forum - I like the fact that the "message edited" line is much more discrete than the old glaring, bold-text version - dear gawd that was annoying  - although, I think it could still be placed more discretely (e.g., on the left side the grey box directly below the thread - opposite the "Report Abuse" link) where it's not in-line with the actual messages. Those who want to look for it can easily find it without it cluttering up the thread. One suggestion I would add is that a lot of other forums (e.g., kvr, tranceaddicts) don't add that message if you edit your thread within a short time of posting it - that's a nice option that I wish this forum had. It just keeps the forum looking cleaner and, assuming that most people primarily use that sort of quick-edit for fixing a typo or missed word, decreases confusion over whether the content/message was changed.
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 13:34:31
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I was one of the users that thought the old forum was very nice. Two previously existing features I would enjoy having back are: 1) Resume full size display of images so as to allow screenshots and tutorials to be seen at full resolution. 2) Resume the option to use some form of bracketed tags to utilize the rich content features of the forum. (e.g. [img]*your link to a picture here*[/img]) so that we are not forced to use the buttons to create links and add content to our posts. I also feel this server side application loads slower than the previous one, wastes valuable screen space, and is distracting to view. I also think the design dissociates itself from Cakewalk's/Roland's branding in a way that celebrates genericism and least common denomination. The old design contributed to a cohesive presentation. This design doesn't. I do have a very specific complaint. There is an abundance of unnessecary horizontal rules... to put it simply... it's bad page design. The previous forum was remarkably streamlined and noteworthy for it's unique and branded appearance. One nice feature about that design was the minimal use of horizontal rules. This new design uses them superflously and decoratively... just like all the ubiquitous, free, and info of dubious value forums that litter the netscape. Designers have been critical of useless horizontal distraction since the landmark release of Web Sites that Suck! I hope someone at Cakewalk will consider that sharing infomation and making it easier for people to scan as much infomation off each page as possible is considered more valuable than making the forum look like a generic forum with carefully segmented and placed "blurbs" and "blobs" of questionable value as infomation to those who wish to scan the page for info pertinent to their interests. It's helpful to keep in mind that the visual *standard* we see elsewhere should not be considered an endorsement by end users. Most of the free forum software looks like it was designed... well, for free. ;-). Cakewalk had a very nice fourm. This new design is a step backwards... it's playing catch up and I hope someone at Cakewalk is willing to hack at it until it's as friendly, inviting, and supportive of Cakewalk's/Roland's branding as the previous forum was. very best regards, mike edit to add: I just stumbled on the Cakewalk_underconstruction .css and will suggest it's an improvement over the "classic" theme.
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 14:00:15
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I think the readability of the new forum is weak. Also the way the characters are "displaced" during writing a post is very annoying to me (some characters touch eachother, some have huge gap between eachother.) It even cause misspelling cause I can't be sure if there's a space between words or not. Also, I had to turn my display to 98% to see the complete text lines of the posts. Moving from page to page doesn't work for me. Whatever I do to get to page 2, I always end up on page 7 or 8. Trying move from 8 to 7, I always end up on page 1. At the moment I've spent about 25 minutes on the forum and I feel the new look has tired me out. Earlier I had no problems reading the posts for an hour or more. A forum like this does not need loads of blank space or any tricks just for the "artistic impression" or something. It just needs to be as easily readable as possible (like when having a laptop on your knees on a commuter train).
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 14:07:02
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 14:19:10
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Yep, GUI too wide. Don't want all that info under avatar. Lots of wasted space.
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 14:36:00
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Found a HUGE plus here - we no longer have to "size" our avatar picture dimensions, just keep it under the 2048kb file size and the ASP software will set the dimensions. Yes, this I like
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 15:40:37
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Just found out that having sent a "Quick Reply" I can not move backwards in views anymore. To get back to " Coffee House" base page after posting this message, I'll have to scroll all the way up and click "Coffee House". Clicking the arrow up left doesn't have any effect.
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 15:48:52
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and it no longer tells you WHO you were replying to - at least not in the quick reply. i think there's an option in the full reply.
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Re:The Text part of the "insert link" doesn't work...
2009/07/23 16:47:49
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notnat
The Text part of the "insert link" doesn't work...
This will happen if you highlight a selection before clicking the link button, as the text is already defined. Other wise if no text is selected clicking the link button behaves as normal. When I preview a post, I can't post directly from the preview, and sometimes the post disappears entirely when I exit the preview... We're looking into this one, if the post is totally disappearing try refreshing your browser cache (FF users especially) The GUI is too wide... I'm constantly scrolling back and fourth... I changed the minimum threshold for this so you should be in better shape now. Thanks for the feedback.
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 16:47:53
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There sure is  Edit: This message was supposed to include In Reply to Beagle
post edited by SteveStrummerUK - 2009/07/23 16:56:33
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 17:01:25
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Beagle 1) it's much slower to load each page. I loved the streamlined fast loading of the old forum. This could be related to a few different things. - In general performance stats show much better, there is a lot more bandwidth available to the forum now
- Is this before you login? Once logged in you might find that it performs slightly faster
2) when a page loads in the thread, it loses the focus. I have to click somewhere in the browser window (IE7 and not likely to change!) in order to get the scroll wheel to work. I always hit the scroll wheel as soon as the post page loads, but now I have to click in the post somewhere BEFORE I do that. I'm definitely not seeing this one at all, tried IE7 and IE8. 3) too much wasted space. there's a lot of space between posts - and it's uncessary. This is getting improved still, try changing your theme (top right corner) to "Cakewalk" or "Cakewalk_UnderConstruction if you'd like to see the working preview 4) the width of the page is just a little too wide. the end of the posts run off the page on my 19" non-widescreen monitor (at work). there's no need for the avatar area to be as wide as it is - cut it down some so that the post text will fit into the screen (this wasn't a problem on the old forum) the min width has been adjusted now so you can shrink it to even less wide than the cakewalk Nav bar 5) tabbing doesn't work the same way it did in the old forum. I am used to replying to a thread, then hitting the tab button which would send the cursor out of the text reply box and into the main box, then I could hit ENTER and it would post the reply. now the tab is used in the reply box itself for "formatting" and I have to actually CLICK on the POST MESSAGE instead of tabbing out. that's a time consuming effort. sorry  I don't think this particular behavior will change. 6) I now have to manually enter codes for QUOTE, LINK, IMAGE, etc. we don't have the quick buttons above the reply field. we used to be able to highlight a section, click on one of the quick code buttons and it would implement it. now we have to type those codes in manually. what a pain!! and the PGD CODE button doesn't even work - there are no codes in it! With the exception of the QUOTE, all of the above are still there. Quote is no longer due to some browser compatibility issues. More pgd code will be available soon (hopefully to include youtube embed and google maps 7) it takes 2 clicks to choose a smilie. I have to click on the smilie menu button first then click on a smilie Iwant. the old forum was one click - choices were on the left and you just clicked on one. looking into this. 8) something keeps wanting to pop up on the forum site but I have pop up blocker on and I don't think it's the PM. I got a PM and it popped up, but occassionally I'll get a message that a pop up from this site wants to pop up, but can't because of my settings. this one is new to me also - what popup blocker are you using? 9) Susan mentioned on another thread that the PM forwarding doesn't work correctly - the text of the message gets left out of the email body. IIRC this is fixed, but I'll double check.
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 17:13:07
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Hi Willy- IIRC this is fixed, but I'll double check. Yes, that's been fixed, thanks! The two biggies for me still are: 1. No "in reply to" info, which leads to confusion and forum "noise". 2. Images aren't represented in the same resolution they were posted, so lots of them lose their usefulness. -Susan
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 17:28:23
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The new Cakewalk under construction theme is a BIG improvement! Thanks, Willie!
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 17:39:02
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Not sure if it's been mentioned and is probably related to the scroll/focus thing, but I find I can't use my arrow keys to scroll a thread, even after clicking into it in any number of places. IE8/Vista Home Premium-32 SP1 CORRECTION: if I click into the Sig area, arrow keys and page up/down work, but not if I click into the post body.
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 17:54:48
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Willy Jones [Cakewalk]
Beagle 1) it's much slower to load each page. I loved the streamlined fast loading of the old forum.
This could be related to a few different things.
- In general performance stats show much better, there is a lot more bandwidth available to the forum now
- Is this before you login? Once logged in you might find that it performs slightly faster
no, I use cookies to stay logged on. it's slower on each page than the old forum, no matter what page you're loading. sometimes it drags like it's loading something before it continues on to the next thing to load. 2) when a page loads in the thread, it loses the focus. I have to click somewhere in the browser window (IE7 and not likely to change!) in order to get the scroll wheel to work. I always hit the scroll wheel as soon as the post page loads, but now I have to click in the post somewhere BEFORE I do that.
I'm definitely not seeing this one at all, tried IE7 and IE8.
not sure why - but it does it to me every time. 3) too much wasted space. there's a lot of space between posts - and it's uncessary.
This is getting improved still, try changing your theme (top right corner) to "Cakewalk" or "Cakewalk_UnderConstruction if you'd like to see the working preview
yes, I am now using that theme and it does look better. not sure it's GREAT, but it's better. 4) the width of the page is just a little too wide. the end of the posts run off the page on my 19" non-widescreen monitor (at work). there's no need for the avatar area to be as wide as it is - cut it down some so that the post text will fit into the screen (this wasn't a problem on the old forum)
the min width has been adjusted now so you can shrink it to even less wide than the cakewalk Nav bar
this appears to be OK now. thanks. 5) tabbing doesn't work the same way it did in the old forum. I am used to replying to a thread, then hitting the tab button which would send the cursor out of the text reply box and into the main box, then I could hit ENTER and it would post the reply. now the tab is used in the reply box itself for "formatting" and I have to actually CLICK on the POST MESSAGE instead of tabbing out. that's a time consuming effort.
sorry I don't think this particular behavior will change.
yep - I didn't figure I'd get that one!  6) I now have to manually enter codes for QUOTE, LINK, IMAGE, etc. we don't have the quick buttons above the reply field. we used to be able to highlight a section, click on one of the quick code buttons and it would implement it. now we have to type those codes in manually. what a pain!! and the PGD CODE button doesn't even work - there are no codes in it!
With the exception of the QUOTE, all of the above are still there. Quote is no longer due to some browser compatibility issues.
More pgd code will be available soon (hopefully to include youtube embed and google maps
sounds good! not sure about the quote not being available due to browser compatibility. that sucks. 7) it takes 2 clicks to choose a smilie. I have to click on the smilie menu button first then click on a smilie Iwant. the old forum was one click - choices were on the left and you just clicked on one.
looking into this.
OK 8) something keeps wanting to pop up on the forum site but I have pop up blocker on and I don't think it's the PM. I got a PM and it popped up, but occassionally I'll get a message that a pop up from this site wants to pop up, but can't because of my settings.
this one is new to me also - what popup blocker are you using?
I'll have to investigate this one more. this only happens at work and I thought I was only using IE7's popup blocker, but I turned it OFF and it still gives me that message, so I'm not sure what's going on there. I haven't seen that at home yet, so I'll have to get back to you on this problem after I investigate further. 9) Susan mentioned on another thread that the PM forwarding doesn't work correctly - the text of the message gets left out of the email body.
IIRC this is fixed, but I'll double check.
Thanks, Willy!
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 17:56:48
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Can we lose some of the the stickies at the top. Everytime I reload the page, I have to scroll down to see the threads. How about putting these in their own forum so I we can turn them off. Or consolidate them.
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Re:Forum Enhancement Consolidation Thread
2009/07/23 18:43:35
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test  yes, it's back... [img] didn't seem to work this morning.
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