• SONAR
  • So I played with an SSL Duality Console...
2013/01/11 20:09:42
chilldanny
...whilst recording and mixing a band here in the UK.

I spent three days here http://modernworldstudios.com/#studio (currently for sale at £550k).
 
Sonar X2's Pro Channel seemed to make so much more sense when I got home and continued
to work on the project.  A veteran Sonar user, I'm well aware of the concept of the Pro Channel, 
and have always loved it and use it almost exclusively when I'm working in X2, but I was struck 
at just how fantastic it actually is.  

Sure, the ProChannel is software emulation/approximation and is of a totally different sonic quality compared to 
the Duality channel strips, in my opinion it sounds great.  More importantly however is its integration 
into Sonar and its usability that makes it every bit as good as the Duality.  Hands down.  

Testament to how great the ProChannel functionality is, I walked into that control room having
never touched an SSL Console, and was able to get to work straight away.  The channel strips 
honestly felt like a hardware ProChannel.

So call me a fan boi, or whatever the kids say these days, but bravo Cakewalk! =)

Moving forward, I think it would be fantastic if we were able to use multiple instances of ALL the
ProChannel modules.  The much requested EQ 'pop out' window makes so much sense, as does
proper gain staging controls for the whole ProChannel (not a fan of inserting an FX Chain module
for this purpose, tho do it anyway).
And of course, we all want to see many new modules, Channel Tools and Spectral Analyser
modules are the two that I've always suggested along with many others here.

Lay it on us Cakewalk, we're all penniless but we want more modules!!
MORE MODULES!!  

2013/01/11 20:37:14
John
I have been touting PC from day one. It really is what makes X1/X2 truly great. 

I welcome your post and am glad you posted it. Thank you.
2013/01/12 05:09:56
chilldanny
Thanks John, nice of you to say =)

Me too, and when I'm working in Logic or ProTools my productivity takes a nose-dive, just
from not having a ProChannel there.  It's become essential to my workflow.

Lets hope we see some new PC Modules announced soon eh! =)
2013/01/12 07:08:02
Freddie H
chilldanny


...whilst recording and mixing a band here in the UK.

I spent three days here http://modernworldstudios.com/#studio (currently for sale at £550k).

Sonar X2's Pro Channel seemed to make so much more sense when I got home and continued
to work on the project.  A veteran Sonar user, I'm well aware of the concept of the Pro Channel, 
and have always loved it and use it almost exclusively when I'm working in X2, but I was struck 
at just how fantastic it actually is.  

Sure, the ProChannel is software emulation/approximation and is of a totally different sonic quality compared to 
the Duality channel strips, in my opinion it sounds great.  More importantly however is its integration 
into Sonar and its usability that makes it every bit as good as the Duality.  Hands down.  

Testament to how great the ProChannel functionality is, I walked into that control room having
never touched an SSL Console, and was able to get to work straight away.  The channel strips 
honestly felt like a hardware ProChannel.

So call me a fan boi, or whatever the kids say these days, but bravo Cakewalk! =)

Moving forward, I think it would be fantastic if we were able to use multiple instances of ALL the
ProChannel modules.  The much requested EQ 'pop out' window makes so much sense, as does
proper gain staging controls for the whole ProChannel (not a fan of inserting an FX Chain module
for this purpose, tho do it anyway).
And of course, we all want to see many new modules, Channel Tools and Spectral Analyser
modules are the two that I've always suggested along with many others here.

Lay it on us Cakewalk, we're all penniless but we want more modules!!
MORE MODULES!!  
I like your review about your experience with SSL hardware. I will link your thread to  my MIXER CONSOLE thread.
 
SSL Duality SE, SSL AWS 924/948, SSL MATRIX, SSL Nucleus, SYSTEM 5-MC, ARTIST Series, Yamaha DM2000-VCM, Tascam DM-4200.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2741753

Yes PRO Channel emulators are really great plugins. Actually I even like the Pro Channel G-series even better than the original SSL hardware. At least a different flavor.
The flexible Q on HP-Shelf, LP-Shelf doesn't exist on the real hardware EQ. Very useful and one of the best features in SONAR Pro Channel SSL G & E EQ!

  
 
Cheers!
2013/01/12 07:21:54
Zo
Danny , you should try the ssl duende ...

May i ask you how you found the Quested monitors (nearfield) 7 and 8  ...on my way to by new monitors and it's on my list .....
2013/01/12 07:26:02
southpaw3473
chilldanny


Thanks John, nice of you to say =)

Me too, and when I'm working in Logic or ProTools my productivity takes a nose-dive, just
from not having a ProChannel there.  It's become essential to my workflow.

Me too! PC has been a complete game changer for me. I can't imagine working without it now.
2013/01/12 07:34:20
Freddie H
Zo


Danny , you should try the ssl duende ...

May i ask you how you found the Quested monitors (nearfield) 7 and 8  ...on my way to by new monitors and it's on my list .....
Zo
EVENT OPAL sounds amazing or go ADAM SX series
 
EVENT OPAL v2
 

http://www.eventelectronics.com/opal
 

 
 
 
http://www.adam-audio.com/en/pro-audio/products/s3x-h/description
ADAM S3X-H
 

2013/01/12 07:36:09
Freddie H
southpaw3473


chilldanny


Thanks John, nice of you to say =)

Me too, and when I'm working in Logic or ProTools my productivity takes a nose-dive, just
from not having a ProChannel there.  It's become essential to my workflow.

Me too! PC has been a complete game changer for me. I can't imagine working without it now.


 Agree! Its hard to replace!
2013/01/12 10:19:18
jeffb63
I must get into using the Pro Channel! I've only used the EQ so far!!
2013/01/29 05:22:45
chilldanny
Hi guys,

Sorry I haven't replied sooner, I recently discovered the joys of Pure Data & Xcode iOS
app development, and have been lost in the land of code & caffeine.  Much fun! =)

@Freddie:

Thanks for the link, I enjoy your threads/posts, always passionate =)

Yes I agree, having the swept Q on the HP & LP shelfs in the ProChannel is a great touch, 
and to be honest, a must in any modern software EQ.  
Yet strangely, I didn't miss that functionality on the Duality at all.  And for sure, as I've 
said before, they do sound different from each other and I agree the ProChannel EQ has its 
own sound.  A pleasing one at that :)

I did notice however, when boosting higher frequencies on the Duality, it was very clean &
smooth, whereas I find ProChannel EQ introduces a fair bit of higher harmonic distortion at 
roughly the same settings, typical of software emulation.  This is where I find the 
ProChannel's Gloss button helps.  It really smooths it all out.


@Zo:

Yes the Duende is a tempting option, though I've not had a play with one as yet.  
How do you rate it? I'm quite a fan of the UAD emulations and have been considering 
taking that route on my home DAW, though I'm lusting after Thermionics gear at the
moment ;)

The Quested S7s sounded great, though somewhat bright in the mid range.  I found 
myself switching over to the NS10s quite regularly just to double check this.
I wouldn't say the S7s are the flattest I've ever heard but they do sound sweet.

They day that I arrived there, the previous client still had his Neumann KH120s setup.
Those things sound fantastic! The bass response from this 5" speaker was very impressive,
and sounded accurate across the frequency range.  Very tempted to buy a pair of these!!



So thanks for comments guys, and sorry again for the delay :)
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