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2012/10/04 20:59:50
Grem
bapu


NukleoN


Coming to a broken forum is no consolation.

See THIS POST 

That's wrong! : )


Funny as hell, but wrong!! : )


LMFAO!
2012/10/04 21:31:15
Funkybot
Is there a thread for X2 known issues? I've been reporting what I've been able to find or confirm to Cakewalk, but a dedicated thread might be a good thing (just to keep pressure on Cakewalk to fix bugs). This would have been a good thread for that had it been more about reporting Sonar problems in a constructive manner and less about venting (no offense to the OP, I understand your frustration).

Anyway, I've found two bugs today, so I'll share (both were reported):

1. X2's "Show Velocity Of Selected Notes Only" feature doesn't work in the PRV after being toggled from on to off then back on, though it works by default (i.e. never uncheck that box).

2. X2's "Give All Keystrokes to Plugin" no longer works with DIVA. It seems like if the plugin opens up a Windows dialog box, Sonar steals back all the keystrokes. Saving the preset using the Sonar menu works, and some other plugins internal preset systems work just fine too. However, this worked in DIVA with Sonar 8.5 and below, so it's definitely a bug.
2012/10/04 22:09:27
Leee
bapu


NukleoN


Thanks to this forum, I can't use line-breaks. 
Yes you can. 


If you're a Firefox user, install IE Tab or get FireFox 3.6 for exclusive use in this forum.

Thanks for the tip about using the IE tab extension. I can add line breaks, make paragraphs, and preview my posts now. And it only took a minute to install and configure for this forum!
 
BTW, looking at your new avatar, did you happen to have a sex change operation recently? (not that there's anything wrong with that)
Edit: Ooops it looks like you changed it back again. I'm so confused.
 
2012/10/04 22:12:04
chrisharbin
Two things: 1, Funky, I cannot reproduce #1 if I'm following correctly. I'll play with it some more though. 2, IMPORTANT: since we are talking about forum faults, why in the world can I not quote people :grrr: I'll look into Bapu's post just in case it's related but a long while back I never had the issues I'm currently having. edit again: Nope, I can't quote.
2012/10/04 23:09:46
Psychobillybob
Frankly I have not been able to record even 1 #1 hit pop song since moving to X2...

I blame the bakers...its the cheese danishes...they distract me...

All seriousness aside, if there were some system specs published, for both the forum and the X2 problems you might get better responses...

Its hard to fix something when you don't know what is causing the problem and without some spec's its almost impossible to trouble-shoot...
2012/10/04 23:58:02
Funkybot
chrisharbin


Two things: 1, Funky, I cannot reproduce #1 if I'm following correctly. I'll play with it some more though. 2, IMPORTANT: since we are talking about forum faults, why in the world can I not quote people :grrr: I'll look into Bapu's post just in case it's related but a long while back I never had the issues I'm currently having. edit again: Nope, I can't quote.

How to reproduce #1:


1. Place a VSTi on a new track
2. Record some MIDI data
3. Open the PRV
4. Select a few notes (notice how the velocities for these notes only appears as expected)
5. Now click on the "Notes" menu item, click "Show Velocity" (notice how all velocities show)
6. Now click on the "Notes" menu item again, click on "Show Velocity on Selected Notes Only

Expected Results:

Selecting notes should show their velocities.

Actual Result:

No matter what you do, no note velocities will now appear. Changing to "Show Velocity" breaks any future instance of "Show Velocity on Selected Notes Only."
2012/10/05 00:27:53
stevec
why in the world can I not quote people :grrr:

 
I'm using IE, and what's always worked for me is highlighting the text I want to quote and then clicking the Reply to Message button.  
2012/10/05 00:41:58
chrisharbin
@stevec, thanks, I'll figure it out eventually........:) @funky. That's what I did and no go, works as expected here (specs below, I'm working a 48k
2012/10/05 01:48:12
FastBikerBoy
@the OP.....

A little more info might help, interface etc. rather than "it doesn't work" while it quite obviously does for many people.

Have you tried using a different driver mode for whatever interface you are using?
2012/10/05 02:30:05
NukleoN
Sorry, I'm pretty frustrated. Now that I am a bit calmer I can explain myself a bit better. First, this forum IS a broken mess. Yes, I can work around it, but do I want to? Not really. I use Firefox. Firefox is a well-known browswer. This forum needs to be less broken so it can do very basic things with Firefox, like quoting and line-breaks. This forum is objectively broken and requires kludges to fix, but that doesn't change the premise. This is the worst forum I've ever seen. Not the people, the functionality. You guys and girls seem pretty great and I appreciate your relative patience with this frustrated user. Second, I've been using Cakewalk since the 90s, which I know I already mentioned, but I'm not here to troll. I have seen Cakewalk evolve and have purchased it through many iterations. It's simply unusable now for some of the reasons listed. I am actively looking for competing products to replace Sonar. I'm not a famous musician, but I've released plenty of songs and have created far more than that using Cakewalk products. If I were happy with X2, I wouldn't be here talking about it. The only reason I came here was to address various issues with X2, which I paid good money for, and I can't even use it. The forum being klunky and broken just convinced me that Cakewalk is ok with poor functionality. How can this forum survive 10 minutes under any kind of review and not be something that needs fixing, post-haste? Yes, I know databases are a pain to move, but the pain either lies with users unable to use a forum properly vs. the temporary pain of fixing a forum. Also, I'm a software developer and am held to high-standards of functionality with this stuff. I tend not to make excuses for companies who release broken software or have busted-up forums. The best solution? Stop releasing hundreds of new features and introducing bugs and tighten up quality-control, and this includes all aspects of the user-experience (forums included). My equipment: Dual Xeon Hexacore PC, 24 cores, 48GB DDR3 RAM, Win 7 with latest service packs, Malwarebytes and MSE virus/malware checked and maintained, HDs have been defragged, etc. X2 is the latest build with hotfix applied. Interface is a Roland OctaCapture with latest drivers and it's a very basic setup right now. I installed X2 fresh only a few days ago. X2 is broken in the ways I mentioned earlier. I'm in the process of trying Reason, DP8, Logic etc. to see how those work. So far so good with Reason, and it's way more stable. What kills me about X2 is that everything I touch is broken. Hotkeys don't 'stick', and that makes working more difficult. Editing the piano roll is exceedingly difficult without these hotkeys. The step sequencer doesn't time-advance because the enter key tries to change the name of my track (focus bug). The audio engine stops working constantly, forcing software restart (showstopper). ..and more. Of course, you won't see line breaks because this forum is broken. Sorry if it's difficult-to-read. I won't use a different browser because that disguises the problem. Cakewalk needs to FIX IT ASAP. It's terrible P.R. and does not bode well for their software and quality-control. There is a point where I *will* blame the tools if they don't work, and if I know competing tools DO work for the functions I need most. I'm a long-time user, but I'm on my way out and unlike most customers, I'm giving Cakewalk the luxury of knowing why they're about to lose my business.
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