X2 is broken. List

With every new product you have to take time to learn the product. Not every computer is the same. Some are older and some have problems with the amount of data they have to process. And like yourself you need time to process X2.
 When you change something in your computer because you read it in this forum you are doing it yourself. Nobody told you to. But then to blame the forum and to say that it's broken is in my oppinion childish.
Everyone on the forum is here because they have a common hobby. They are also here to help anyone with different problems they had with the program. Making life (and hobby) a little easier. Moderators(cake bakers) that do come around at different times to also give you the best advice they can.
90 percent of the time i see feeds by this forum that are usually resolved by themselves after getting some help as to which way to look at the problem and find out that it was because they didnt know the program as well as they thought.
There is no buggy forum and no buggy software, just buggy users that whine al the time.

Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions.


Danny

NukleoN


Here's what's busted in X2: Audio keeps dropping out and requires restart of software to fix

WOW, I must be the only one that this does not happen to

Err.. Tending to agree to some degree. But I'd avoid strong expressions "bloated, buggy mess" and so. Cakewalk follows some definite strategy of  high-level programming. You are seeing the result in each new consequent release since Sonar 1. 

All competition do exactly the same, but may be (sometimes) with a bit of testing, when the weather allows.

bapu

NukleoN


Here's what's busted in X2: Audio keeps dropping out and requires restart of software to fix

WOW, I must be the only one that this does not happen to

I had sudden issues with the audio engine in X1 crashing, but have not yet had a problem with X2 and I'm still using XP.

bapu

NukleoN


Coming to a broken forum is no consolation.

See THIS POST 

That was like a mind meld or something.

Is there a thread for X2 known issues? I've been reporting what I've been able to find or confirm to Cakewalk, but a dedicated thread might be a good thing (just to keep pressure on Cakewalk to fix bugs). This would have been a good thread for that had it been more about reporting Sonar problems in a constructive manner and less about venting (no offense to the OP, I understand your frustration).

Anyway, I've found two bugs today, so I'll share (both were reported):

1. X2's "Show Velocity Of Selected Notes Only" feature doesn't work in the PRV after being toggled from on to off then back on, though it works by default (i.e. never uncheck that box).

2. X2's "Give All Keystrokes to Plugin" no longer works with DIVA. It seems like if the plugin opens up a Windows dialog box, Sonar steals back all the keystrokes. Saving the preset using the Sonar menu works, and some other plugins internal preset systems work just fine too. However, this worked in DIVA with Sonar 8.5 and below, so it's definitely a bug.

Two things: 1, Funky, I cannot reproduce #1 if I'm following correctly. I'll play with it some more though. 2, IMPORTANT: since we are talking about forum faults, why in the world can I not quote people :grrr: I'll look into Bapu's post just in case it's related but a long while back I never had the issues I'm currently having. edit again: Nope, I can't quote.

chrisharbin


Two things: 1, Funky, I cannot reproduce #1 if I'm following correctly. I'll play with it some more though. 2, IMPORTANT: since we are talking about forum faults, why in the world can I not quote people :grrr: I'll look into Bapu's post just in case it's related but a long while back I never had the issues I'm currently having. edit again: Nope, I can't quote.

How to reproduce #1:


1. Place a VSTi on a new track
2. Record some MIDI data
3. Open the PRV
4. Select a few notes (notice how the velocities for these notes only appears as expected)
5. Now click on the "Notes" menu item, click "Show Velocity" (notice how all velocities show)
6. Now click on the "Notes" menu item again, click on "Show Velocity on Selected Notes Only

Expected Results:

Selecting notes should show their velocities.

Actual Result:

No matter what you do, no note velocities will now appear. Changing to "Show Velocity" breaks any future instance of "Show Velocity on Selected Notes Only."

@stevec, thanks, I'll figure it out eventually........:) @funky. That's what I did and no go, works as expected here (specs below, I'm working a 48k

Sorry, I'm pretty frustrated. Now that I am a bit calmer I can explain myself a bit better. First, this forum IS a broken mess. Yes, I can work around it, but do I want to? Not really. I use Firefox. Firefox is a well-known browswer. This forum needs to be less broken so it can do very basic things with Firefox, like quoting and line-breaks. This forum is objectively broken and requires kludges to fix, but that doesn't change the premise. This is the worst forum I've ever seen. Not the people, the functionality. You guys and girls seem pretty great and I appreciate your relative patience with this frustrated user. Second, I've been using Cakewalk since the 90s, which I know I already mentioned, but I'm not here to troll. I have seen Cakewalk evolve and have purchased it through many iterations. It's simply unusable now for some of the reasons listed. I am actively looking for competing products to replace Sonar. I'm not a famous musician, but I've released plenty of songs and have created far more than that using Cakewalk products. If I were happy with X2, I wouldn't be here talking about it. The only reason I came here was to address various issues with X2, which I paid good money for, and I can't even use it. The forum being klunky and broken just convinced me that Cakewalk is ok with poor functionality. How can this forum survive 10 minutes under any kind of review and not be something that needs fixing, post-haste? Yes, I know databases are a pain to move, but the pain either lies with users unable to use a forum properly vs. the temporary pain of fixing a forum. Also, I'm a software developer and am held to high-standards of functionality with this stuff. I tend not to make excuses for companies who release broken software or have busted-up forums. The best solution? Stop releasing hundreds of new features and introducing bugs and tighten up quality-control, and this includes all aspects of the user-experience (forums included). My equipment: Dual Xeon Hexacore PC, 24 cores, 48GB DDR3 RAM, Win 7 with latest service packs, Malwarebytes and MSE virus/malware checked and maintained, HDs have been defragged, etc. X2 is the latest build with hotfix applied. Interface is a Roland OctaCapture with latest drivers and it's a very basic setup right now. I installed X2 fresh only a few days ago. X2 is broken in the ways I mentioned earlier. I'm in the process of trying Reason, DP8, Logic etc. to see how those work. So far so good with Reason, and it's way more stable. What kills me about X2 is that everything I touch is broken. Hotkeys don't 'stick', and that makes working more difficult. Editing the piano roll is exceedingly difficult without these hotkeys. The step sequencer doesn't time-advance because the enter key tries to change the name of my track (focus bug). The audio engine stops working constantly, forcing software restart (showstopper). ..and more. Of course, you won't see line breaks because this forum is broken. Sorry if it's difficult-to-read. I won't use a different browser because that disguises the problem. Cakewalk needs to FIX IT ASAP. It's terrible P.R. and does not bode well for their software and quality-control. There is a point where I *will* blame the tools if they don't work, and if I know competing tools DO work for the functions I need most. I'm a long-time user, but I'm on my way out and unlike most customers, I'm giving Cakewalk the luxury of knowing why they're about to lose my business.

bapu

NukleoN


Here's what's busted in X2: Audio keeps dropping out and requires restart of software to fix

WOW, I must be the only one that this does not happen to

WOW here too,Iv'e only been using a computer since late 2009[never EVER before]and only got a laptop,that could run X1 since April 2011,and due to a combo of USER ERROR,and the quirks of the dell XPS L502X,I bought a "parts picked" desktop,which right from the "get go" has NEVER done ANYTHING weird,but even as an 18 month Digital Noob,Iv'e learned the importance of "setting ones tools up properly"[must'ave been my Motocross background],and since the "Quick Fix" EVERYTHING in X2 NOW works perfectly[as did X1c/d]


I may have only been using a Daw/Computer for 18 months,but Ive played in touring bands since 84,so I'm no "kid",but I believe "setup",not panicking,and following tried and true advice[Scott from ADK],and as a result,I believe any of these so called "buggy software" can be made to work,also I find 64 bit EVERYTHING,way more solid.
Bob

Well frankly you have plenty of machine to run Sonar, not sure what driver model you're running, or latency but you apparently know how to use this stuff since you've been arounf it so long...

All I can suggest is get a hold of a tech at Cakeland and see if they can help...

Beyond that switch software.

The only issue I've had with X2 has been qwerty related...and it was not a big deal since I am running control surfaces and use a mouse as well...

Well...there's the no number #1 hit thing but I haven't tried all the additional content yet so it might be premature...

I cant for the life of me understand why the forum gets blamed for the carriage problem. There are different explorers (IE,Firefox,Google Chrome etc). There is also an update for firefox (fix) that you can install.
This is like saying that all the DAW's (Pro Tools,Studio 1, Cubase,Sonar, etc) All have to work in the same way and be completely compatable with each other. And if we find some change in one of them we will blame the forum again.

Danny

+100

@CowboyDan: I've been on the Internet since before there was an Internet. I've used every kind of forum you can reasonably be expected to use. I run an SMF forum (which is free). I've been on VBulletin forums. I've used them with various browsers from IE to Chrome, Firefox to well, you name it. All of them can do the most basic functions such as a carriage return (think about how basic a function this is) and being able to quote-respond. Again, this is objectively and demonstrably a FORUM ISSUE. Anything else is simply justifying a mistake. The answer is not to simply blame FF but for Cakewalk to fix the issue and test their forum better. Of course it's not just carriage-returns and an inability to quote, but BOTH. Obviously, this forum is broken. My post here will demonstrate that when I post it. As for the software, X2 did seem promising with all of its add-ons and again, I've been a fan of Cakewalk products for years. As for step-sequencing, I've always used the QWERTY keyboard to advance the step-sequencer. I never thought about using Midi but I don't even know how to do that. I like using the enter key because I can step-sequence really fast that way, especially with broken-up 16th notes. I may try turning off my Virus program. I usually try that when I have issues with Sonar but it doesn't explain the hotkeys losing their 'memory' of what I set them to, or the problems with the step-sequencer. The hotkeys I am trying to use are related to piano mode Move, Edit, Smart, etc. Without hotkeys, this process is pretty painful and I find the SMART mode to be too fiddly. I do a lot of piano-note editing. Thanks