Karyn


Then measure numbers are purely arbitrary, why not start all your recordings at measure 25, or measure 157, what is so special about measure 1?

If you are sequencing against printed music that already has measure numbers, it would be way handy to have the numbers match up instead of having to add an offset.

I for one, would love the option of starting on measure zero (or -1 or -2 for that matter).

This topic pops up 2-3 times a year. IMO it shouldn't even be a matter of discusssion - it's so obvious that there should be at least measures -1 and -2 . IIRC that is possible in some DAWs.

The opposing arguments aren't very solid, IMO. Yes, of course I can decide to start the song at any measure, 25 or 12, but when I'm editing bar 132, I don't want to be forced to keeep in mind that it's actually measure "132 minus something".  If I know that the structure is 12 measures verse, 6 measures chorus etc. and the corresponding numbers of measures could easily be counted according to that, it would be so clear to be able to go with the actual measure-numbers.

I agree, that feature will be a very nice adition.

Regards

amiller


'Just curious, if you could start before measure 1 how would you then cut and paste from the beginning of the song when editing?

You could just have a popup box with a check box saying "Include Negative Bars?"
 
And one saying "Ask this everytime"
 
I'm in support of negative bars. Being able to rewind back to "-1", or even just "0" as all you really need is one bar.
 
So instead of the project starting at bar "1", it actually starts at bar "0". Almost like a "Zero Count-In" if you will, that still records.
 
I like it. Start from Measure Zero. I think that would solve the issue. All of my projects start on bar 2 or 3. I hate it!

Bar 4 or 8..old school time code !!

moved back:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2264828

Hi Mike-

REAPER has been able to do this for quite a while.

-Susan

dantarbill

Karyn


Then measure numbers are purely arbitrary, why not start all your recordings at measure 25, or measure 157, what is so special about measure 1?

If you are sequencing against printed music that already has measure numbers, it would be way handy to have the numbers match up instead of having to add an offset.

I for one, would love the option of starting on measure zero (or -1 or -2 for that matter).

Absolutely, and if you print it out to staff (ie with a pick-up note/upbeat being in measure 1) it is incorrect.

groovey1


Yeah, it would be nice to be able to do this. This seems to come up regularly, but it doesn't seem to be much of a priority. I guess based on your thread title that this is the case in other platforms as well?

For me, the way to deal with it is to use markers.

I don't understand - what you're asking for is pick up notes - 

so an easy example would be - if you have a 2 beat pick up top start the song - you can use measure one beats 3 and 4 and leave beats 1 and 2 blank 


OR another example would be 


to actually insert a 2 four bar as measure one if your dealing with a 2 bear pick up 




so yeah -- technically  and in music theory a few pick up notes are not considered a whole measure and what beats you didn't  use in music theory are suppose to be theoretically  tagged on the end - - if you want to get down to music theory rules I get that ....  

but in the case of recording this works....... the examples above works very well and  audibly you cant tell that that its in the computer as a measure and not a pick up note - it still SOUNDS like a pick up  




my concern MIGHT be if I was actually printing out the midi parts and wanted the pick up notes printed as pick up notes and not measures - 


but lets be honest - in terms of music notation Sonar is crap and I suggest a 99 dollar music program called "Print Music: that blows notation in sonar away -- or for much  more money   something like "Finale"  or "Sibilius" however you spell it "Sibilius" 


Have a good weekend everyone! 

Compguy

How come DAWs do not take this very important phenomenon into account?

Many do. Cubase, Pro Tools, Reaper...

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