• SONAR
  • I'm all adither about dithering...
2012/07/24 15:14:30
yorolpal
I'm into some heavy mixing for a large project.  I record at 48k/24bit.  When I export my files out as 16/44.1 what dithering selection (or none) should I use?? 
 
2012/07/24 15:15:46
perfectprint
Powr3 is what is usually recommended.
2012/07/24 15:17:35
perfectprint
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2039306 Ethereal Entity's post explains the differences.
2012/07/24 15:35:32
Bristol_Jonesey
I've always used Triangular with zero problems.

Strangely, I used Powr3 recently, and when I imported it into CD Architect, CDA reported "possible digital clipping at hh:mm:sss".

I have never seen this except when using Powr3

YMMV as always.
2012/07/24 16:03:06
bapu
yorolpal


I'm into some heavy mixing for a large project.  I record at 48k/24bit.  When I export my files out as 16/44.1 what dithering selection (or none) should I use?? 
 

Since most of my mastering chains end with FG-X (sometimes that's all I have) I let FX-G do my dithering. When I only use Waves L3 as my final mastering step (on those rare occasions where the stars are aligned) I let it do the dithering.


IOW I never use SONAR's dithering. If I'm exporting in SONAR to 16bit it's usually just a "perusal" copy of the mix.
2012/07/24 16:04:10
bapu
perfectprint


Powr3 is what is usually recommended.

Then why is it not the standard on install. IIRC triangular is what is set on default (for me at least).
2012/07/24 16:08:09
bitflipper
The only difference between one algorithm and the next is that some purport to be less audible than others. Given that dither noise is almost never audible to begin with, the choice of algorithms is essentially moot for most genres. 
2012/07/24 16:13:59
bapu
Of course Bit. But if we give our mix to a Pro (say Alan Parsons) what would they say if we chose the wrong dither?

Would he (say Alan) RAM it down our throats?









See what I did there? A whole setup to revive an old joke.
2012/07/25 10:18:36
tacman7
Bristol_Jonesey

Strangely, I used Powr3 recently, and when I imported it into CD Architect, CDA reported "possible digital clipping at hh:mm:sss".


I would think that would need to be run through a limiter before dither.

I can't tell the difference when using dither but it's supposed to bring up any data in the lower bits before being truncated. I didn't think it raised the overall gain.



2012/07/25 10:43:45
konradh
I use the Powr3 thing only because that is what I have heard recommended.  I've never had a problem.

Birstol_Jonesy: supposedly the down-side to Powr3 is that it is a huge CPU hit.  Maybe your error was caused by processor overload, which I guess could happen if you had lots of plugs and effects in your mix.  Not sure if that makes sense--just a thought.
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