On May 5, 2004 "steve austin" said:

ORIGINAL: steve austin
the current Emagic(ohh dirty word in here i know!)Logicpro6 and soon to be replaced pro7 with ALL emagics plugins bundled as standard is just going to be to good to resist,esspecially with the recent price slash,and the price of macs plummiting and the hassle free,highly refined,ease of use, streamlined OSX.

On May 6, 2004 "steve austin" decided to elaborate on the benefits of Logic on the Mac ("steve's", uh, comments are highlighted):

ORIGINAL: steve austin
Akshara says;
Dreamstation is no slouch. Neither is the Edirol. And then Project 5 can be had for a song these days, which integrates well with Sonar.

-the dreamstation may be adequate(which is hardly good enough these days!) in A FEW ways,but i assure you it does not match the logic ES2,or ES1 for that matter(you want analog!?check this one out) and project5 costs $795 in australia which would be on top of sonars $1195 making that combo the same price as logicpro6 $1995:
Akshsra says;
Um... yeah it does. There's Cyclone, which is a very capable Groovesampler clone; and Vsampler is as serious as any hardware sampler I've ever come across. And there's a manual now, btw.

-the upcoming ultrabeat(which will be bundled with the next update of logic)is a high end DEDICATED drum/percussion/synth/ sampler allowing twenty five different sound TYPES with dedicated sound shaping SPECIFIC PARAMETERS FOR EACH TYPE,utilising synthesis,component modelling and samples or any combination in between,as well as project5 type grid sequencing being intergrated,i would say that makes ultrabeat godzilla,leaving cyclone as a simplistic apprentice,plus Logics about to implement acid style looping AND the NEW apple loops format into it's app,gosh this just keeps getting better,as well as the new Sculpture(is it's name) component modelling synth(lethal specialised pads and the like, or bowed string emulations,whatever takes your fancy) and a ducks nuts high end amp modeler... WHOOOA all included! and the V sampler is not as streamlined as or as quick to use as EXS24II: now if well just move on to the next cheap comeback the sooner i can get outta here...

Akshara says;
Sure I could... depending on their skill, one can do all the mastering that they need with the included Sonitus Multiband and EQ.

-oh really now! well to quote paul white(chief and editor of sound-on-sound magazine) "although the virtual mastering proccessor iv'e described use's only logics own plug ins, i've found it is capable of delivering EXTREMELY GOOD RESULTS! strong words coming from a man whose heard it all and whose position can't afford him to exagerate too often OR over generalise just because other apps might sound capable or in the ballpark, and where the hell is your specialised Adaptive limiter,pro performing exciter, subass sculpturing and world class(as stated by the best masterers in the business) POW dithering??? go with that sonitus couple obi wan and hope like heck you don't have to SPEND more money!?

Akshara says;
hehe... haven't spent much time actually working over in OSX DAW land recently, have you?

-yes and it's friggen unbelievable how streamlined,HASSLE FREE and a joy to use this apple OS is(it's called PANTHER10.3.3 by the way) esspecially with so much classy software included as standard.1ms latency with built in audio card. such are the privilages of a hardware company owning the software provided.the proccesor efficiency of Logic is so good that a reasonably cheap(what with the recent price drops and all)mac will kick along nicely, OSX was designed for PRO music applications in mind,not just for office applications or extranuous paraphanallia:
Akshsra says;
And the Fantom would blow the Emacs doors off as a creative tool. Paired with a Roland VS-2480, the Emac would cower in terror. You've never actually owned an Emac, have you?

-i think you just like to try and make people cower in terror but the real grim reaper would have a few things to say about that. In australia a fantomX6 and VS2480 retail for a combined price of $15000, in contrast to an appropriate speed Emac and Logicpro6 which would cost a measly $3299(which i'm on my way down after this to place my dollars on the counter after an extensive demo from the dude at the local muso store) and after playing around quite exstensively with the roland fantomx (having been a hardware head for years!) i soon realised it's just another workstation with no equivalent for a ES2, ES1,or ultrabeat percussion synth, and that it's samples plus synthesis engine sounds no better nor is it more capable than the mighty EXS24II,thats before mentioning the tonne of other fully usable high end synths that come bundled with Logic pro6,bit of a price difference, opps i mean great divide there, especially for the old archaic way of the roland combination, extra AD/DA issues,wordclock issues,level matching issues,balanced/unbalanced issues, truncation and rounding error issues(all technically speaking of course)because the Fantom only has four outputs so things have to be recorded and rerecorded,and portability issues and a host of other things which all add up:

QUALITY-PERFORMANCE PLUS-STABILITY-RELIABILTY-EXCELLENT thats EXCELLENT PRICE
Akshara says;
All of this is a currently possible reality, regardless of whether you choose PC, Mac, or a dedicated hardware solution... for between $5k to $10K.

-yeah but it's messier and more exspensive on a PC (i'd dare to say twice as expensive and twice as messy actually,quite a bit more to deal with huh!seeing as computers are not the most ideal way to make music in the first place despite it's huge advantages.when faced with a PC scenario and the aforementioned issues about cakewalks current state of user informing and bug/functionality,and lack of high end inclusions. Yes, points to the sonitus pack but that doesn't make up for it in my mind: no offence cakewalk,hey but this is just how it is.(the last eight words of this sentence have been left for akshars quote response!) hehehe as some would put it!

On October 24, 2007 "steve austin" wasn't done with his sales pitch:

ORIGINAL: steve austin
Over on the Mac side of things, LogicPro8 has just been released and it is 99% stable and bug free "ON RELEASE" and the new Leopard OS will be released this friday and it will give no such problems as Vista does, plus it will actually give a 35% increase in performance because Leopard has been totally optimised for intel multicore processors and it runs 32bit and 64bit applications simultaneously without any need for a so called bit bridge that cakewalk uses.
I would have loved to jump on board with Sonar7 because it looked like a very good DAW with all its new plugs etc but Logic Pro8 has just lowered its price from $999 to $499 which makes it irresistable esspecially when i know the Mac platform and OS is so elegant and stable and i don't have to make adjustments to the OS to get it working efficiently because it automatically optimises itself when you open Logic Pro, and also i don't have to worry about other issues like drivers, bios, and certain obscure settings, but rather just load up and go.by the time LogicPro has its first update it will be100% bug free or as close as you could expect from any DAW.
[etc. etc. etc.]

I can't wait to hear about how Logic Pro 8.1 is an impossible "101% bug-free" when it's released...

Seriously, what are you? Salesperson? Apple marketing wonk? Hired gun? Or just a fanboy who landed, inexplicably, in the wrong forum?

hi All,

I'm still on a PC with an 865 chipset and using logic platinum 5.5.1 (XPPro SP2) with an upgrade to logic pro 6 and had the thought that if it ain't broke don't fix it. It is stable for me and has earned an honest and good return on investment.

At the time of my purchase in 2001, Logic on the PC was the best available bang for the buck. I looked at Sonar but it did not have many of the features that i wanted (especially VST support) and my UAD1 cards would have 'issues' with it.

i had thought of switching to Sonar a number of times over the years since (as it matured) but until now the primary reason for not switching was the lack of the afore mentioned feature. It really was a deal killer.

I can no longer not upgrade. Within a year or two, quad core will be relatively cheaper and so will ddr3 with hdd space much cheaper. Then i'll just upgrade my PC and relegate the current machine to games and video work ... which it can still do admirably. Besides, paying $200 for a Logic upgrade and then paying $5 000 for a top flight machine to take me through 5 years is abit too steep. $5 200 versus $350 for a cross grade. no brainer decision really

Over on the yahoo logic user forum, there is not a mailing that goes by without someone venting over some broken feature in Logic for example Logic Control or Mackie Control universal does not work well and so forth. But just like here, others help them fix the issue and lodge the problem with Haydn et al who wrote logic. Mind you for every user that has a problem, there are 100 others that have a perfectly working set-up simply because they know what they are doing regarding computer upgrades, OS upgrades and Application upgrades. So i can understand the OPs rants if all he has to go by are the perfectly working logic 8 system in some studio that he frequents versus the incessant complaints he reads about here.

Also note that most users that are novices as far as DAWS are concerned are the ones reporting the most 'compatability' and use related issues ... experienced users are not so concerned about 'bugs' because they've developed workarounds and are more concerned about being able to do things quickly ... features. Power users of Logic (such as myself ) just know what needs to be done to make the music and keep their machines in top shape. No doubt the same is true of power users of Sonar.

hopefully as i learn S7, i will not get too frustrated with it and hope that i can rely on the power users expertise as and when needed.

Thanks and have a nice day.

Dear OP,

I'm not quite sure what your problem might be. You may not be cut out for DAW work. I spent the evening editing/comping some vocals I recorded two days ago, primarily using multiple lanes and the mute tool.

Everything has gone totally smooth, very quick, and flawless, and I'm using Sonar 7.01. I also tuned a couple words, using V-Vocal. I'm personally ecstatic with the results.

I don't think the problem is with your hardware/software, but with your attitude. It sounds to me like you haven't actually worked with S7.

Vim,

Welcome to the world of Sonar, and I wish for you the best. It's refreshing reading an intelligent and mature post from a person who actually "gets it".

I'm sorry you have to leave the comfort zone for the Logic/PC world you've come to know, but you'll find many helpful people here as you begin to find you way around Sonar.

Good luck, and I hope you make some great music!!

I just want to say good job boys (steve, rocknrollin, etc) MAC is the best. Screw you PCs. To all my fan boys, yes Logic is the best. The hell with all of you. I have to answer an important phone call on my IPhone. DAMN! Another dropped call! At&t, SUCKS!!!!!!

steve austin = David_C = RockinRoll = Steve B Jobs = AXE

Give it up, its boring.

Oh and Vm great mature post, welcome to the forum

G

Well, I just transported myself into the future with my new IMachine, and Logic 32, is better than Sonar 33!!!!

Er

What the hell are you talking about.

Your welcome to the future mate, take your hyperbole and shove it where the Steve Jobs don't shine.

G

A friend of mine who runs Logic7 claims its the best. Although his last DAW was Cubase sx2.

I wonder if the same thing happens in the logic forum. where some one who represents Sonar goes over to another forum to tell them how good there DAW is. I find it strange that this is the case here. Why would anyone feel the need to do that unless they thought there was a threat to there Daw of choice.

I know alot of people have been making mass exodus' to Sonar and v7. V7 seems to be the one people are interested in. (many new members have been joining or asking about v7 and weighing up the alternatives) those who run MACs are still looking at sonar 7 and Bootcamp. There is lots of talk in the MAC camp about Dimension pro and alot of hip hoppers are looking towards this to make there music with. Therefore it would be only feasible that many will turn from Cubase and Logic to Sonar as I know alot of people are fed up with their DAW of choice.

Vista will not always suck. Developers will start to make drivers as the new quadcores invade and saturate the market. The dust will settle and the OS though not perfect for some will become more stable.

I for one had problems albeit, minute problems with Vista. That was only because I could not download the updates for Vista and the patches for Sonar. Now that I am able to download the updates and patches the drop outs have gone and the updates have brought stability to my OS.

Dramtic improvements have been made with these updates and I am sure that, by the time the SP1's are available stability will not be so much of an issue neither will latency.

There are some in this forum who have not been hindered by Vista because they have done their homework. It would be different if you have just bought a machine that has Vista on it but the system was never ready for Vista in the first place. I think that is bad marketing by M$ but then again they have to offload Vista because of poor support.

As I mentioned earlier. I had problems but they have been downloaded away.

For what it is worth. I have recorded music with Sonar and XP and I have recorded music with Vista and Sonar. But then again. I always choose my PC's for my specific needs.

I like MACs and I like Logic. I like some of the things that Cubase can do and I also like some of the thngs that Sonar can do. Would I buy a MAC? Yes. Probably. would it make a difference to my music? Nope. But I can make a difference to my music!

You support the bears, I support the knicks!

You Support Arsenal, I support Manchester United (who are the best by the way)

Then there's this little time capsule from our own SteveJL: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=164528&mpage=20#184308

OMG! I had completely forgotten that thread. Even though there was so much flaming, it was a GREAT discussion. Ahhhhhhh, good times We don't get so many of those here any more Wonder whatever happened to Shea? (he hasn't posted since 4/06)

Thanks for referencing it, and my detective-work on Steve Austin