You must be trolling for laughs yes? You read the forum and decide how good Sonar is by inspection? Sounds like you don't know squat about PCs either.

Then you claim Logic is 99% stable? You measured this with what?

Actually wrestlers make just about enough money to afford both Sonar and Logic. I wrestled my way up to a desktop and a labtop before I quit. Wow, 99% glitch free, 1% below Sonar.

In Steve's defense,,,,

I have been a die hard windows and sonar user for many years now, that being said Steve is not entirely wrong. I have been on a Vista machine for almost a year now and for every one thing that I like about it, there are ten things to complain about.

Then there is Sonar. I am sure most of my problems are user error, or lack of knowledge but Damm it if I have not tried and tried to get information on several really show stopping issues. First off I spent the big bucks and got a Motu Ultralite,,, can you say frustrating,,,, Between Sonar and the Motu randomly changing my output settings, or Sonar not displaying some of my options.... or having to completely reboot the machine to change my sampling rate... and no way (that I have found) for Sonar to change sampling rates from 48 - 44. Don’t even get me started about drivers, one plugin works with one type, one piece of hardware works with another, etc. Then there is ACT. I see these guys do these nice demonstrations where you just hook up your new keyboard and click the ACT button and everything works,,,, yeah right. I upgraded my $3,500 ensonique for a new M-Audio axiom so that I could do something simple like kick start my songs or my sequencing from the keyboard.... I am ready to pull out my freaken hair trying to figure out how to get this crap to work.... and all I see is endless forums on how this stuff doesn't really work. I have posted several times and not a single response.

I am not saying Steve's pipe dream of no problems would exist with Logic and a mac... but it would be nice to have a solid operating system, it would be nice if the high end hardware I purchased works with my daw the way that it should, and it would be nice if I could take advantage of the great features and actually make music rather than spend most of my time fighting with the stupid hardware and software. And it would be nice if there was better support from Cakewalk, either in the way of return responses in the forum’s or better documentation.

Some days I don’t even open up Sonar because I am scared that I will end up spending the entire day fighting with crap when really all I want to do is make music. Imagine if you were a painter and every time you felt inspired to paint you would have to fear that your canvas might melt or that your brush might disintegrate or your yellow paint might come out red. This how I feel every time I upgrade, buy new hardware or even open up Sonar. I often contemplate starting over with a mac, I would even be content with half the problems that I face now. As it is,,, Sonar is the only app that I use that is not avialable on a Mac now.

Just an opinion!

~ C

ORIGINAL: Christian3D
In Steve's defense,,,,

Steve's either getting paid for his comments, or he's trolling. Either way, he doesn't need to be defended. Everything that is wrong with Vista as a DAW platform, and any serious issues with SONAR itself can be found in a variety of threads on this forum. Steve's posts are nothing more than a shameless plug for Logic on a Mac. Nothing wrong with saying you prefer one app or platform over another -- just don't make it soooo obvious that you're entirely biased, as Steve does.

I have been a die hard windows and sonar user for many years now, that being said Steve is not entirely wrong. I have been on a Vista machine for almost a year now and for every one thing that I like about it, there are ten things to complain about.

Everyone knows that Vista is not the state of the art for DAWs these days. At least everyone that frequents this forum. That may change, or maybe it won't. In any case, XP is the only way to go today for stability and driver support (unless you're lucky to have your particular hardware vendors on the leading edge of Vista support). Some may argue against my assertion, but I know at least as many other will agree. Steve isn't telling anybody they don't already know in that regard.

Then there is Sonar. I am sure most of my problems are user error, or lack of knowledge but Damm it if I have not tried and tried to get information on several really show stopping issues. First off I spent the big bucks and got a Motu Ultralite,,, can you say frustrating,,,, Between Sonar and the Motu randomly changing my output settings, or Sonar not displaying some of my options.... or having to completely reboot the machine to change my sampling rate...

There are many people on this forum that can help... almost everyone on this forum uses some version of SONAR, and many use Motu hardware including the Ultralite. It shouldn't be too difficult to engage those Motu users with your particular problems.

I searched for posts by you to see if your requests for help went ignored... I found two threads started by you regarding your Motu troubles:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=936905&mpage=1&key=󤯉
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=958375&mpage=1&key=󩾧

In both cases, questions on hardware/software setup were asked directly of you, and you didn't respond -- you started a threads to discuss your problems, but you didn't actually engage anyone in the discussion!!!

Other than that I saw two ACT related threads that appear to have no responses.

If you want to solve your problems with the Motu, then you can't just throw your problem out there and hope that somebody posts the right answer. ...

Either go back to one of those old threads and provide the requested info, or start a new thread asking for "Help with Motu Ultralite", etc. And keep bumping it until somebody responds. I'd be very surprised if some Motu users out there can't walk you through a solution, or at least confirm the problems you're seeing.

Just stop it. If he doesn't like Sonar let him leave. I won't lose any sleep over it. Many of us don't give a rat's ass about what you use and/or your reasons for using it.

Use Logic, Pro |Tools, Cubase, Nuendo, Audition, N-Track or whatever, most of us don't care.

"You don't drink like I drink, you don't smoke like I smoke. I got a thing, you got a thing. Everybody's got a thing."

Now let this thread die.

Some days I don’t even open up Sonar because I am scared that I will end up spending the entire day fighting with crap when really all I want to do is make music. Imagine if you were a painter and every time you felt inspired to paint you would have to fear that your canvas might melt or that your brush might disintegrate or your yellow paint might come out red. This how I feel every time I upgrade, buy new hardware or even open up Sonar. I often contemplate starting over with a mac, I would even be content with half the problems that I face now.

Wow. I really wish you luck in sorting out your issues. No one should have to think like that about something that brings them so much happiness when it works right.

Hi Christian-

SPE 7.0.1, XP Pro SP2, MOTU Ultralite, BCR2000 here, and everything's working fine, ACT included. I know there are some Vista-specific drivers/settings, but IIRC it was Jim Roseberry who suggested using WDM drivers for Vista with the Ultralite for now.

EDIT: Or maybe he said MOTU was one of the few who do have good ASIO drivers for Vista at this point. I can't remember now, sorry, but you can search his posts if he doesn't respond here.

-Susan

HI EVERYONE, I LOVE SONAR AND USE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION. BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM USING MY VST EFFECTS THAT ARE 32 bit ON (X 64 SONAR 7 PE) . BUT THERE IS A TECHNOLOGY CALLED (BIT-BRIDGE) HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO I CAN USE ALL MY OTHER FX THAT DONT SUPPORT 64 BIT??? I TRIED SEARCHING FOR AN ANSWERE ON THE INTERNET AND FOUND NOTHING. IT ONLY TELLS ME THAT IT WORKS, BUT NOT HOW. ANY ANSWERES? THANK YOU

ORIGINAL: Art1820m

HI EVERYONE, I LOVE SONAR AND USE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION. BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM USING MY VST EFFECTS THAT ARE 32 bit ON (X 64 SONAR 7 PE) . BUT THERE IS A TECHNOLOGY CALLED (BIT-BRIDGE) HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO I CAN USE ALL MY OTHER FX THAT DONT SUPPORT 64 BIT??? I TRIED SEARCHING FOR AN ANSWERE ON THE INTERNET AND FOUND NOTHING. IT ONLY TELLS ME THAT IT WORKS, BUT NOT HOW. ANY ANSWERES? THANK YOU

HOLY CRAP! HERE TOO?

1st http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1199811

2nd http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1199813

3rd http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1199809

Stop it. Stick to your 4 other pos about this problem you have and stop hijacking other post. Its rude
Cj

Christian3D,

I've been there with earlier versions of Sonar and I truly feel your pain. Things work pretty well now. I hope you find a working combination but if it was me I would go back to WinXP for now.