ORIGINAL: 7XL

Just stop it. If he doesn't like Sonar let him leave. I won't lose any sleep over it. Many of us don't give a rat's ass about what you use and/or your reasons for using it.

Use Logic, Pro |Tools, Cubase, Nuendo, Audition, N-Track or whatever, most of us don't care.

"You don't drink like I drink, you don't smoke like I smoke. I got a thing, you got a thing. Everybody's got a thing."

Now let this thread die.

That was really helpful. You make a great contribution to this forum.

A drummer walks into a music store, sees a Marshall Plexi, a 1968 Fender Strat, a Vox wah and a Univibe; he hooks it all up and then proceeds to wonder why he can't play Machine Gun just like Hendrix...

He swears he could do it on his playstation playing Guitar Hero... Everybody knows that Fender issued a few bad strats during the CBS years. Damn Fender!

FWIW, I had ONE bad session using Sonar throughout the last year - one that's "unexplainable"... The rest of the issues I've encountered could most likely be linked to a few particular VSTi's.

Exactly Rain. Sonar is a rock

plugins and vst's cause problems sometimes in any machine. Whenever I have a problem, it is because of a plugin, and only ones that did not come with sonar. And even then, I hardly ever have a problem.

I must say current setup is the most stable computer I have ever had. Cheers to Sonar 7.01, Asus, Core 2 Duo, and echo, oh and patriot xtreme performance ram! lol

peace out!

ORIGINAL: syrath
One of the things that was mentioned in Logic 8s review in Sound on Sound was that the problem with the midi tick timing hadnt been sorted with version 8, dont you think they should have looked at that instead of revamping the interface, bundling content with it and hoisting it on the public while it still had problems. ;)

My experience with Logic is that they didn't fix MANY of the bugs that existed in LP7.
It's shocking... the midi timing stuff isn't fixed, track view to track inspector views can become unlinked, and then there's that &%$*#-ing Core Audio Overload issue that's particularly annoying. There are others, but those particularly get on my nerves... it's been almost 3 years for them.

In my opinion, ALL they did was revamp the UI, with a smattering of new features, and little else.
Unfortunately, many will view a new UI as a major application overhaul, and think the app's somehow all new. Logic Pro 8 IS Logic Pro 7 in almost every way.

Take care,
- zevo

ORIGINAL: vintagevibe

ORIGINAL: 7XL

Just stop it. If he doesn't like Sonar let him leave. I won't lose any sleep over it. Many of us don't give a rat's ass about what you use and/or your reasons for using it.

Use Logic, Pro |Tools, Cubase, Nuendo, Audition, N-Track or whatever, most of us don't care.

"You don't drink like I drink, you don't smoke like I smoke. I got a thing, you got a thing. Everybody's got a thing."

Now let this thread die.

That was really helpful. You make a great contribution to this forum.

And your comment serves what purpose?

Have you even read this thread? If so you would have seen the shear absurdity in it.

And I know I make a great contribution to this forum.

bye bye

I just couldn't resist throwing in an anecdote.

Back in the days of the Mac Plus and Master Tracks Pro, MTP used 240 pulse per quarter note timing, and another program (DP maybe?) used 480 pulses per quarter note. There was this one composer who would call up the tech support people at Passport Designs and constantly hassle them with how MTP was "sufficiently professional for my needs due to its inaccurate timing" and wondering when they were going to fix this problem. Eventually he went over to DP, and told the guys at Passport how lame they were, how much better the timing on Performer was, etc.

Only one problem: Back in those days, we're talking about CPUs that thought 25KHz was blazing fast. A friend of mine measured the jitter on a Mac Plus with respect to timing, and found a linear relationship between jitter and pulses per quarter note. Bottom line: because DP made the processor work harder, there was a twice as much jitter at 480 PPQ as there was at 240 PPQ, so bottom line was that due to computer limitations, BOTH PROGRAMS HAD EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIMING INACCURACY even though they used different PPQs.

But I'm sure the guy who felt MTP wasn't good enough for his "perfect" sense of timing never figured that out...it's sad how people have to boost their own sense of self-worth by ragging on things to show their supposed superiority.

As to Logic Studio, more power to 'em. Apple didn't ditch the product, they dropped the price, and there's no dongle. Sonar is now officially supported running under Boot Camp. It's all good.

Anderton,

Nice post!

RnR

Some days I don’t even open up Sonar because I am scared that I will end up spending the entire day fighting with crap when really all I want to do is make music.

Hi Christian,

Some simple advice that'll take you a long way:
If you want a trouble-free experience, use a setup that's known to be trouble-free.

Vista is problematic right now. Unless you work within a very limited scope of parameters, you will have problems.
This is well known...
Why continue to bang your head against the wall?

WinXP is rock-solid...
It's hear... it works great right now...
If you build/maintain your own system, model it after a trouble-free DAW.
If you don't have this knowledge/experience, there are folks that can help you get it done.

As Susan G mentioned, the Ultralite is actually a very good performer.
(It's actually one of the better performers under Vista.)

Take a logical step back... and address the underlying problem/s.
You'll then find that Sonar (and any other DAW) will work as expected.