Razorwit

ba_midi

bitflipper


Wow. Four pages on the subject of whether or not you need a subwoofer! Excellent. (Actually, anything other than another thread about the Concrete Limiter is welcome.)

I use a sub. It came with a footswitch to turn it on and off. But I never turned it off, so I re-purposed the switch for something else. The sub is really great for blowin' stuff up in Halo.

If you think you need a sub, I can give you reasoned arguments to justify that purchase. If you suspect a sub would be a waste of money you don't have, I can make equally compelling arguments to talk you out of it.

Can you give me reasoned arguments why not to have a drink yet? 

No. Too drunk to type for that long.  Also, I love you guys.

Dean

Haha Great - we like our drunks friendly :)

ba_midi

bitflipper


Wow. Four pages on the subject of whether or not you need a subwoofer! Excellent. (Actually, anything other than another thread about the Concrete Limiter is welcome.)

I use a sub. It came with a footswitch to turn it on and off. But I never turned it off, so I re-purposed the switch for something else. The sub is really great for blowin' stuff up in Halo.

If you think you need a sub, I can give you reasoned arguments to justify that purchase. If you suspect a sub would be a waste of money you don't have, I can make equally compelling arguments to talk you out of it.

Can you give me reasoned arguments why not to have a drink yet? 

I can Billy. The subwoofer might rumble your drink right off the table! 

The subwoofer might rumble your drink right off the table!

 
Sorry... but there is no way a cubhoofer is going to fumble the sink off the cable.  
 
 
Bartender, oh bartender...
 

bitflipper

The sub is really great for blowin' stuff up in Halo.

Halo the video game? Now that is old school. I loved that game!

stevec

The subwoofer might rumble your drink right off the table!

 
Sorry... but there is no way a cubhoofer is going to fumble the sink off the cable.  
 
 
Bartender, oh bartender...
 

LOL

Roland just came with a 2.1 monitor system for keyboards in 100W or 200W version. Just what I've been wanting.

So I was driving home from the grocery store tonight as I was listening to NFL Radio over satellite. The talk show had an ex-player on as a guest host who's voice over was incredibly boomy, so much so that every plosive sounded like an 808 sub kick bass through my car's sound system.

I'm guessing that whoever was mixing the show was doing so on small monitors. Otherwise, he/ she would have heard the ridiculous (not normal radio ridiculous but stupid ridiculous) amount of sub frequencies in this guys voice and would have put on a high pass filter.

In their case, adding a sub to their system would have made this problem obvious to the engineer, in which case I'm betting it would have been fixed.

I'm not telling you to get a sub, not trying to sell you anything. I'm simply sharing with you an experience, one which I encounter all to often when listening to broadcast radio and TV. 

Mike T, the author of the Blog post, was doing the exact same thing.

And I'm not trying to debate one way or the other if you should add a sub to your system or not. Use a sub and it works for you? Cool. Not into subs and prefer mixing on a 2.0 system? Whatever works for ya.

What's important to understand, though, is that those of us at Cakewalk who are a part of the Blog are choosing to share parts of the knowledge that we've collectively built up over our decades of combined experience as musicians, engineers, producers, songwriters, and enthusiasts. 

Believe it or not, we're actually into the same stuff you are and are happy to have a platform like the blog in which to share that knowledge and enthusiasm with you all.

Its worth keeping that in mind when posting bout said blogs as, to be honest, we take it to heart. After all, these blog posts aren't commercials or copy, they're our experiences, our knowledge, and our thoughts on the things we're most passionate about.

So, weather or not you use a sub or not is entirely up to you, and I wish you the best of success either way. Just remember that the faces in the pictures on the blog are people, too.

SP

I haven't read through the whole thread so I won't comment on the thoughts of anyone else. But I can tell you my personal experience. I have used a pair of EV Sentry 100A studio monitors since about 1985. A couple of years ago I invested in a set of JBL LSR2328P powered 8" monitors with the LSR 2310P powered 10" sub. My mixes are SO much more accurate now with using the sub...and I haven't tuned my room at all. As a matter of fact, I have the gains full up on all three cabinets. But my mixes are night and day difference from the old EV monitors, which were actually pretty decent monitors in their day. So as someone else said...some like subs...some doesn't. I happen to be one of the "like sub" people. :)

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk]

So I was driving home from the grocery store tonight as I was listening to NFL Radio over satellite. The talk show had an ex-player on as a guest host who's voice over was incredibly boomy, so much so that every plosive sounded like an 808 sub kick bass through my car's sound system.

I'm guessing that whoever was mixing the show was doing so on small monitors. Otherwise, he/ she would have heard the ridiculous (not normal radio ridiculous but stupid ridiculous) amount of sub frequencies in this guys voice and would have put on a high pass filter.

In their case, adding a sub to their system would have made this problem obvious to the engineer, in which case I'm betting it would have been fixed.

I'm not telling you to get a sub, not trying to sell you anything. I'm simply sharing with you an experience, one which I encounter all to often when listening to broadcast radio and TV. 

Mike T, the author of the Blog post, was doing the exact same thing.

And I'm not trying to debate one way or the other if you should add a sub to your system or not. Use a sub and it works for you? Cool. Not into subs and prefer mixing on a 2.0 system? Whatever works for ya.

What's important to understand, though, is that those of us at Cakewalk who are a part of the Blog are choosing to share parts of the knowledge that we've collectively built up over our decades of combined experience as musicians, engineers, producers, songwriters, and enthusiasts. 

Believe it or not, we're actually into the same stuff you are and are happy to have a platform like the blog in which to share that knowledge and enthusiasm with you all.

Its worth keeping that in mind when posting bout said blogs as, to be honest, we take it to heart. After all, these blog posts aren't commercials or copy, they're our experiences, our knowledge, and our thoughts on the things we're most passionate about.

So, weather or not you use a sub or not is entirely up to you, and I wish you the best of success either way. Just remember that the faces in the pictures on the blog are people, too.

SP

 
 
I say to that post, Amen, my brother. :)

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

So I was driving home from the grocery store tonight as I was listening to NFL Radio over satellite. The talk show had an ex-player on as a guest host who's voice over was incredibly boomy, so much so that every plosive sounded like an 808 sub kick bass through my car's sound system.

I'm guessing that whoever was mixing the show was doing so on small monitors. Otherwise, he/ she would have heard the ridiculous (not normal radio ridiculous but stupid ridiculous) amount of sub frequencies in this guys voice and would have put on a high pass filter.

In their case, adding a sub to their system would have made this problem obvious to the engineer, in which case I'm betting it would have been fixed.

I'm not telling you to get a sub, not trying to sell you anything. I'm simply sharing with you an experience, one which I encounter all to often when listening to broadcast radio and TV. 

Mike T, the author of the Blog post, was doing the exact same thing.

And I'm not trying to debate one way or the other if you should add a sub to your system or not. Use a sub and it works for you? Cool. Not into subs and prefer mixing on a 2.0 system? Whatever works for ya.

What's important to understand, though, is that those of us at Cakewalk who are a part of the Blog are choosing to share parts of the knowledge that we've collectively built up over our decades of combined experience as musicians, engineers, producers, songwriters, and enthusiasts. 

Believe it or not, we're actually into the same stuff you are and are happy to have a platform like the blog in which to share that knowledge and enthusiasm with you all.

Its worth keeping that in mind when posting bout said blogs as, to be honest, we take it to heart. After all, these blog posts aren't commercials or copy, they're our experiences, our knowledge, and our thoughts on the things we're most passionate about.

So, weather or not you use a sub or not is entirely up to you, and I wish you the best of success either way. Just remember that the faces in the pictures on the blog are people, too.

SP

I don't doubt you are hearing low end problems on TV and or the radio. One has to ask.

Does anyone use a GUI based EQ? I do.. and most should.  
Visual feedback can clear up sub problems, as well as a great pair of near fields. Being a dance music guy myself and having 4 commercial dance hits under my belt (playstation games tv and film stuff as well but who's counting) I've had no problem pumping, side chaining, compressing that wall of sound expected in clubs without a sub. EDM, my main type of music, consists of an extreme amount of low-in, in fact Ill be as bold to say - its mandatory. You think its easy? Go grab some above and beyond tracks on iTunes, then master a dance track. Tell me how close you get. 

The industry standard for a VERY long time in speakers were the NS-10's by yamaha. To me they sound like a can on a string, but as widely used as they were, the end users trained there ears to "mix" accordingly. I believe it comes down to the engineers abilities and grasp on mastering, not how many speakers you influence the mix with.