• Songs
  • Our Cover of Ordinary Man by Triumph (p.2)
2013/09/26 11:57:15
alkie
Waltenstein Studios
Good stuff!  Great performances on bass, guitars, and vocals.  Great song too!
 
The mix isn't terrible, but shooting from the hip, I might suggest looking at a few things:
- Drums need to come up.
- Bass is too hot especially during the middle solo and verses.  Also I think the bass EQ is interfering with the guitar/vocals in the high/mid freqs and could probably be better isolated from them by emphasizing lower frequencies more.
- Vocals might be a little too "present" as well (causing distortion in the high freqs), and maybe there's a bit too much effect on the vocals (flange/chorus?).  If the vocal is doubled maybe back off on one of them a bit so it doesn't cause as many phasing issues.
Just my $0.02!


Thanks for your input, Where are you hearing the phasing? The vox are double tracked with 2 different mics a 55SH S2 at -12db and a SM58 LC at -24db the effects I used were a Waves H-Delay and a Sonitus Reverb with the main vox bussed to a flanger that is hitting -38db.
2013/09/26 15:22:33
Walt Collins
alkie
Thanks for your input, Where are you hearing the phasing? The vox are double tracked with 2 different mics a 55SH S2 at -12db and a SM58 LC at -24db the effects I used were a Waves H-Delay and a Sonitus Reverb with the main vox bussed to a flanger that is hitting -38db.

 
First of all, let me say that I hope I've not offended you with my mix suggestions/comments above.  I posted what I heard as food for thought if you were interested (since you posted here in the Songs forum).  That being said, I'm just hearing a bit of sizzle on the vocals that sounds like it's modulation/phase related.  Maybe it's intentional and you're trying to fatten up the sound of the vocal.
 
Anyway, I guess you probably already know all this, but each of the three things you mentioned in your reply could be a contributor:
 
1. If you're double mic-ing a single performance you could get phase distortion depending on the exact physical configuration of the mics with respect to each other. You probably do this all the time and have the mics taped perfectly together.  Still, it's a potential source of phasing.  I assume you probably checked this visually in Sonar after the take.
 
2. Maybe it's the flanger you mentioned, although -38db seems pretty quiet, but then again it probably doesn't take a lot of volume for a flange effect to be heard.  I've never been a big fan of flanged vocals except as a special effect, but that's just a matter of personal taste.
 
3. Or it could also be the delay if you are using a short modulation setting on the H-Delay as opposed to something longer like a slapback.  Again, a matter of taste.
 
So the bottom line is that if you like it that way, then it's already perfect. :)
2013/09/26 19:13:03
jamesyoyo
You got them pipes all shiny and tuned up, Alan. Nice to hear your voice again.
 
2013/09/27 01:37:31
alkie
Waltenstein Studios
alkie
Thanks for your input, Where are you hearing the phasing? The vox are double tracked with 2 different mics a 55SH S2 at -12db and a SM58 LC at -24db the effects I used were a Waves H-Delay and a Sonitus Reverb with the main vox bussed to a flanger that is hitting -38db.

 
First of all, let me say that I hope I've not offended you with my mix suggestions/comments above.  I posted what I heard as food for thought if you were interested (since you posted here in the Songs forum).  That being said, I'm just hearing a bit of sizzle on the vocals that sounds like it's modulation/phase related.  Maybe it's intentional and you're trying to fatten up the sound of the vocal.
 
Anyway, I guess you probably already know all this, but each of the three things you mentioned in your reply could be a contributor:
 
1. If you're double mic-ing a single performance you could get phase distortion depending on the exact physical configuration of the mics with respect to each other. You probably do this all the time and have the mics taped perfectly together.  Still, it's a potential source of phasing.  I assume you probably checked this visually in Sonar after the take.
 
2. Maybe it's the flanger you mentioned, although -38db seems pretty quiet, but then again it probably doesn't take a lot of volume for a flange effect to be heard.  I've never been a big fan of flanged vocals except as a special effect, but that's just a matter of personal taste.
 
3. Or it could also be the delay if you are using a short modulation setting on the H-Delay as opposed to something longer like a slapback.  Again, a matter of taste.
 
So the bottom line is that if you like it that way, then it's already perfect. :)


Howdy ...no offence taken, my ears are not the best from many years singing in clubs with no ear protection LOL and I couldn`t hear phasing issues. you misunderstood I did 2 vocal takes 1 through my 55SH and another through my SM58 , so I doubt the phasing is from that. I was hoping you`d point out the areas where you hear the phasing, so I could go in and try and fix it. Cheers and thanks again for your input.
2013/09/27 01:40:52
alkie
jamesyoyo
You got them pipes all shiny and tuned up, Alan. Nice to hear your voice again.
 


Thanks James!!!!!!
 
2013/09/28 16:45:12
champchas
Nice choice of song - great vocals
2013/09/28 19:40:25
alkie
champchas
Nice choice of song - great vocals


Thanks champchas
2013/09/28 21:51:47
theguitarplayer
Well, You may have already done some work on this or maybe not, but what I'm hearing sounds absolutely awesome on my end. This is a great song and you did a great job with it for a cover song. It was very nicely preformed, and the mix sound just great. It is a very creative mix that keeps your attention all the way through. Great work on this. Enjoyed.
 
Peace and Blessings, John
2013/09/29 07:35:07
Walt Collins
alkie
Howdy ...no offence taken, my ears are not the best from many years singing in clubs with no ear protection LOL and I couldn`t hear phasing issues. you misunderstood I did 2 vocal takes 1 through my 55SH and another through my SM58 , so I doubt the phasing is from that. I was hoping you`d point out the areas where you hear the phasing, so I could go in and try and fix it. Cheers and thanks again for your input.



Yeah, sorry Alan.  I'm not hearing phasing in any particular spot in the song, just over the whole mix.  Great record though, regardless!
2013/09/29 16:22:44
alkie
theguitarplayer
Well, You may have already done some work on this or maybe not, but what I'm hearing sounds absolutely awesome on my end. This is a great song and you did a great job with it for a cover song. It was very nicely preformed, and the mix sound just great. It is a very creative mix that keeps your attention all the way through. Great work on this. Enjoyed.
 
Peace and Blessings, John


Cheers and Thanks John!!!!!
© 2025 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1

Use My Existing Forum Account

Use My Social Media Account