oNeKOG
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Beagle I Deleted AUD.INI mobilepre was connected. stared MC. hit yes. exited. restarted = same Robomusic, Thanks for giving a try. It was weird watching the mouse move around. I'll try MC in WDM but I don't give up that easy :) Gonna try to get MC4 and MobilePre to work in the kids comp later. I don't know maby my MC disk is corrupted or the MobilePre is hooped, it did work with the lightsnake? Still will try to get it to go on the kids. Thanks to everyone that helped out :) If the fix comes my way I will let you all in on it.
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Robomusic
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The mobile pre can work on WDM and should work well there. ASIO is a good driver but WDM is very solid as well. Many prefer it. I do not think it is the MC disk, but rather the Mobile Pre that does not seem to have the full software available. as I can not find the M-Audio mixer window applet to check the ASIO settings in.
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Robomusic
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When i was looking at your screen, i saw the USB Mobile Pre drivers in MC, and it said ASIO, but I could not open up the M-Audio software and that is where the Bit Rate would be setup for ASIO. When you use ASIO the sound card driver controls MC, and the setup starts in the cards applet, not in MC. When you use WDM or MME drivers the settings are made inside MC so it is different. This is because the WDM and MME drivers are Microsofts drivers, and MC uses them, ASIO is the sound cards driver. When i changed it to WDM drivers it seemed to work fine, and the bit rate and sample rate windows were not greyed out. It had one drop out, which could have been a start up glitch. I noticed it was set to 128 buffering, so maybe 256 will be smoother, to start with. When i hit play the last time did you hear the sound?
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oNeKOG
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WDM works, plays gonna try it out. still gonna mess with the ASIO driver. ohhh i did hear the tune play. thanks again for all your help.
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Robomusic
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If WDM works then run with it, ASIO is not astronomically better, if fact at time is is not as good. Where ASIO really shines is with multitrackinput like where you are recording 8 or 16 tracks at once like a band. It also has very low latency, but so can WDM. One thing to look at is where is the m-audio mixer? it is usually in the system tray (right hand lower corner of screen) But i believe you have Vista, and i have not seen what it looks like in Vista. Also that might be whay the ASIO driver issues, it might be having Vista issues. Anyway WDM can work very well, and you can wrap them in ASIO4All and that will act just like ASIO then. But like i said there are many folks over at the Sonar forum that use WDM and never even try ASIO
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oNeKOG
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Ok Robomusic you settled me down me down. I read alot of good things about ASIO. Running Windows 7 bata 7068 I like it. Did try MC4 on Xp pro w/sp3 and had the same problems thats why I'm thinking Mc disk or MobilePre is at fault
post edited by oNeKOG - 2009/03/31 20:21:24
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Beagle
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yes - don't worry about ASIO if WDM works!! run with it!!
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oNeKOG
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Just installed it on our boys XP home and this error.. "An error occuredmsetting a parameter on this page. Try again?" so it will not work on our win 7, xp, home or pro. Whats the deal? replace MobilePre? Salesmen said bring it in if I have problems. What you all think?
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Beagle
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first, it's not designed to work on win 7 - neither are your drivers. there are no drivers available for win7 yet so I wouldn't be surprised at all if MC OR the soundcard didn't work there. "An error occuredmsetting a parameter on this page. Try again?" no - that's a different problem. MC is based on Sonar 6 and sonar 6 had this problem before they updated it to 6.01 or something. here's how you fix that: http://z8.invisionfree.com/GAPers/index.php?showtopic=82
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oNeKOG
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You are right that there is no direct support from M-audio, yet. People in Win 7 Forums say they have got it to work. I did do the drivermode on win xp pro that did not fix it. same problems 7 or xp. so what option is there? been at this for five days did all there is to do. Tell ya what I'll reinstall xp pro. Let ya know latter how it's going. If I sound frustrated thats because I am, Sorry.
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oNeKOG
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Wait a minute I have it working on win 7 only ASIO is wankie.
post edited by oNeKOG - 2009/03/31 22:18:22
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57Gregy
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People in Win 7 Forums say they have got it to work. They've got a forum already? They work fast! Glad you got it working.
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Robomusic
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That is because ASIO is a M-Audio driver, and WDM is a microsoft driver. So there is a certain amount of native support in Win 7 for it's own family. Still it can be glitchy. The M-Audio products are just recently working fully on Vista. If you got WDM let 'er rip!
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oNeKOG
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Win XP pro all the same issues. MP_WDM_5.10.00.3516.exe MobilePre_5.10.00.5128.exe MobilePre_5.10.00.5128Bata.exe Installed, uninstalled. non of these drivers made a diference. all give the same error after clicking the ASIO button under General. "The ASIO sample rate is not supported by one of the USB interfaces! Please check you sync setting in your control panel. Then another windows pops up. "The following driver(s) either do not support the current audio format, or are in use by another application. Anyone have a solution?
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Robomusic
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I think ya gotta go to M-Audio for help. I would remove all drivers and then re-install the latest non beta driver and set it to WDM and if that works stop worrying about ASIO. The quality of the sound will not be one ounce different.
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This is true for some cards .... I've tried the ASIO drivers from Behringer, as well as ASIO4all and I've found along with numerous others that for my card, the WDM works the best. - TAP -
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oNeKOG
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I don't know ASIO is a part of MobilePre so it should work within Win XP. To me if a part doesn't work it's defective and God and all of us know we have done all we could to get it to work. (could someone copy and past there setup file? is there a way to do this?) All of us would return a car if the lights, radio, transmission, steering wheel, brakes or anything on a brand new vehicle did not work right? Or would you let it slide? no diden't think so. So ya maby i'm being anial but after spending $200+ on a product that is not fully functional is well.... you get the idea.
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Robomusic
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ASIO is a third party driver mode that was designed for specific audio needs, and many different hardware suppliers try and write there own version of it to work with there cards, some are good and some are bad. M-Audio has been one of the best, that is up until Vista. It can be shaky. Every system works different than the next as well. On my system with my card ASIO is the best choice, on my old computer WDM worked best, on my laptop MME is king. The M-Audio cards will work with all three, and it really boils down to what makes your system function the best. It is about getting decent latency and solid audio performance. The WDM and MME drivers are Microsoft based, where ASIO is from the makers of Cubase. It is alot like VST technology most application can use it, but not all work well. Cakewalk is now in it's third generation with VST and VSTi, being a DX based system it has had it's growing pains with that plugin architecture. The same goes for ASIO, actually upon install MC defaults to WDM, because like DX plugs WDM is Microsoft based. WDM is adjustable from within MC, where as ASIO is adjustable within the sound cards mixer Window. ASIO is a driver that will not let you use it on two applications at the same time. It does not share. So using WDM is not inferior, or in anyway broken, it is just an option, and one that Cake products tends to like. Actually it is very hard to tell the difference, since quality wise there is none. The only place you will notice is upon setup for mulittrack input systems like SHS, and Sonar it configures the inputs differently. Some systems get lower latency on one and some the other. The big deal is to make music, not frustration for yourself.
post edited by Robomusic - 2009/04/01 21:37:01
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Robomusic
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oNeKOG, Dinner is about to hit the table, so i gotta run, i will check back in about 30 minutes. Did you get rid of the double driver issue, and reinstall? If so then take a few minutes and try running the system on WDM and see what you get. I will be glad to take another look when i get back.
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57Gregy
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The ASIO sample rate is not supported by one of the USB interfaces! So, did you check to see what the sample rate is and change it to something that will work? I don't have an M-Audio, but to check that with the Focusrite Saffire, I first go to MC and see what the sample rate is there, which is 44.1 kHz. I then open the mixer for the Saffire and check that the sample rate matches MC, or I can change either one, as long as they match in the end.
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oNeKOG
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When I change the sample rate hit ok get the error close MC open MC the sample rate is still at what it started at 44100. Sorry Robomusic I'm not buying what your selling. ASIO should at least work in one of our computers and not have the exact same errors, they are compleatly diferent computer in every way. Easyest thing to do before a war breaks out is exchange the MobilePre for another one and go from there. Yes the double driver issue was fixed. Still same errors.
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Robomusic
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What are you trying to change the sample rate to? 44,100 is the correct rate for most situations. It's all good, you do not need to agree with me. There is some issue for sure, and i can't tell what it is from here. Still ASIO may not work due to the fact the driver you downloaded may be the Vista driver, and might not work well in XP, plus it has no support in Win7 yet, win 7 is BETA, which means that it is not done yet. One error i got while working on your system was that it was sharing, and ASIO won't. That was most likely cleared up on the double driver fix. Still if your system works at 24 bit 44,100 with WDM, or even 16 bit and 44,100 then it is up to you to decide, do I want to make music or fuss over driver issues. As I said there is not real difference between ASIO, and WDM as far as performance or quality, so if one works then use it. It is not a situation where you have been ripped off if ASIO does not work, different systems work better with different driver modes. My laptop will not run with ASIO4All not even a bit, So guess what i don't lose one minute worring about it, I make songs with the WDM drivers. Here is a thread on the subject i read a while back at the Sonar forum, so why not take a read thru. http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=867968&mpage=2&key=WDM%2CASIO󔜗 Drivers are not brakes or windshield wipers they are more like GAS, they make the Car run. Pick one and drive. Now if WDM does not work, then that tells you something, Try the old fashioned MME and see what happens, if there are problems there, then either one of two things, the interface is not fully compatible with something in your system, or the system is not setup properly for audio somewhere. remember these interfaces are asked to run on thousands of different systems that are each and everyone unique and different. Sometimes we forget what a big undertaking this is for a computer, we use our systems for so much, Gaming, e-mail, net surfing, household finance, etc. Each brings needs to the table, sometimes we push our system to a crossroads. Just sayin!
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Beagle
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m-audio does do have specific vista or xp drivers - if you were trying to load vista drivers on an xp machine that probably won't work (and visa versa) but if you used the correct drivers on each machine and cannot get any of them to work - I'm not sure what else to tell you except email cakewalk's support. your troubles are very unusual. if you have ran that drivermode utility that I pointed you to and you are installing the correct drivers for each operating system then you should not be getting the error messages you're getting and something is beyond what we're capable of troubleshooting here. I can safely say that those two things on most systems before you with the same hardware has worked numerous times, so I really don't know what the difference is for your systems. sorry I can't help you more.
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