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2017/05/29 06:03:13 (permalink)

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HI guys,
 
Building a new home studio. I've got the room completed, gonna go with Jim Roseberry PC, Antelope Goliath interface, Sonar (of course)....how about (near field) monitors?
 
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Re: monitors 2017/05/29 07:59:36 (permalink)
Monitors are subjective. All comes down to budget as you know. For me, I would go with ribbon-based tweeters on near fields and midfields for mastering purposes in an ideal world.

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Re: monitors 2017/05/29 08:28:15 (permalink)
I've got the Focal CMS65s and love them. That being said, I also had great luck with a $350 pair of passive Tannoy Reveals. It's all about learning your monitors, and how what you're hearing translates to real world systems.
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Re: monitors 2017/05/29 08:55:13 (permalink)
Have you treated your new space?
 
It's been said many, many times that you need to budget a similar amount of money for room treatment as you do on your monitors

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Re: monitors 2017/05/29 09:02:20 (permalink)
Also consider the size of the room. 

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Re: monitors 2017/05/29 13:54:35 (permalink)
JBL LSR305's
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Re: monitors 2017/05/29 14:05:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2017/05/30 19:00:19
In a way it's almost a pointless question on a forum. Go ask the same question on Gearslutz...ha ha..
One thing to walk into a real studios and see what they use, and another to ask a bunch of home studio users what they use. You'll get as many recommendations as there are people willing to answer. You could actually randomly get replies from people using terrible monitors. How will they know their monitors are terrible if that's the only ones they've ever used. 
 
Look at pictures of the meter bridge of as many professional studios as you can. Look at the equipment list which they always post in their promo. 

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Re: monitors 2017/05/29 14:57:14 (permalink)
To give you some hinds abouit recommandable Monitors it needs more info about your :
Budget ?
Skiills .Professional - nob
treated room ?
size of the room?
What music (Heavy metal or EDM ,joke ) 
are you mixing?
 
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Re: monitors 2017/05/29 17:32:49 (permalink)
get the best monitors you can afford,
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Re: monitors 2017/05/30 05:03:15 (permalink)
Thanks Guys,
 
Let's see: I'll check out the models suggested/treating the room is next 2 do/budget...hmmm, I'm flexible but like to get near fields below 500.00/style: hard to say--pop-rock rootsy with modern ornamentation/room size: 3/4 of a 2-car garage w/10 foot ceiling/Oh....not pointless if used along with other types of info gathering.
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Re: monitors 2017/05/30 07:33:19 (permalink)
Like mentionend above ,
Focal, Dynaudio,Adam,Fluid Audio are good options 
in the price a bit above 500 bucks.
Wouldn´t recommend to save money bying monitors
having an antelope interface and a machine from Mr. Roseberry.
 
The best interface sounds bad with low budget nonitors.
 
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Re: monitors 2017/05/30 13:45:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby glennstanton 2017/05/30 14:07:57
Under $500 >>>  JBL LSR 305's
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Re: monitors 2017/05/30 16:10:44 (permalink)
For a budget under $500/pair, you won't go wrong with Equator D5s.
 
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Re: monitors 2017/05/30 17:42:42 (permalink)
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/HS8    This is what I'm going to get next.  
 
Little more than $500 but you can also get a pair of the HS5 for $400.  
Still an industry standard the HS8-8 is considered a good replacement for the NSM 10's. 
I think under $500 is limiting I would not compromise on my monitors. 
 

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Re: monitors 2017/05/30 23:13:18 (permalink)
Thanks: good advice. Yea, 500 is low. Let's make it 1000.00 for the pair (which is probably still on the low side, but at my limit currently. I will look into the Yamaha HS8, Hs8, Equator D5, JBL LSR 305's, Focal, Dynaudio,Adam,Fluid Audio. I've somehow gotten  by with my old Alesis Monitor 0nes and Sony 7506 phones because I got to know them and compensated (e.g., limited bass in the monitors and accentuated 5kish phones). I'm ready to get to know "somebody" new.
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Re: monitors 2017/05/31 00:49:01 (permalink)
And what's a great idea is to keep those Alesis one's as a second set for referencing and you get to learn your new set. 
I think $800- $1,000 gets you most anything suitable to a home studio set up, Save your money and buy some room treatment instead. A friend of mine has been building a very high class studio in a basement. We rehearse there and the walls are now treated and wow, even with drums everything is separated and clear. No standing waves etc. I have never played in a basement that sounded that good. Oh and he bought the HS8's that's why I'm sold. He's researches the heck out of everything and all his gear is "dream" gear. He also just bought a Behringer x32. His only mistake is he uses Pro Tools :) But he took a 2 year course in engineering and that's what they teach. I'll have him on Sonar soon enough when he starts to get into midi and VST's. He's still 100% audio so Pro Tools is as good as anything. 

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Re: monitors 2017/05/31 05:52:10 (permalink)
Thanks Cactus...yea, good idea re: Alesis-to -new reference. A friend and pro engineer also mentioned the HS8s. I just looked at them. They are powered. I hadn't considered powered vs not. I suppose it's one less thing to by (stereo amp). Somewhat off-track, but regarding your room-treatment advice. I don't imagine it's rocket science placing the treatment; I wouldn't think I'd need a room analaizer. There's plenty of good common sense suggestions online. However, some report thickness as critical. I suppose auralex or a similar company is where buy.  Thanks again.
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Re: monitors 2017/05/31 13:59:46 (permalink)
For a budget under $500/pair, you won't go wrong with Equator D5s.
+1 on the D5s
 
 

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Re: monitors 2017/05/31 14:21:29 (permalink)
When we talk monitors these day's it's always powered. It is actually getting hard to find appropriate power amps to use in studios. My last search was looking at well over $500 for a passive cooled 100 Watt Amp and only a few choices. I found a used Kenwood KA 76 for $20 so I'm getting by with old tech, but I will be looking at the Powered Yamaha's next round of upgrades. 
Powered is were it's at. 
 
Funny you say Auralex as that's what my friend used. He say's they have all the information on their web site and he just faked it using common sense. 

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Re: monitors 2017/05/31 14:48:54 (permalink)
kawika, try to shop used if you can. People are always upgrading their speakers, and second-hand studio monitors have usually lived a pampered life and are still in good condition. You'll likely be able to get something better within your budget. Mackies, Events, KRKs and Yamahas are very common on the used market. Mackie HR824s, being closed-back, are good for a home studio and can be had for well under $1k for a pair.
 
Don't go to Auralex first. Too expensive. Check out realtraps.com for better prices and far more helpful information.


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Re: monitors 2017/05/31 15:42:42 (permalink)
As I said this guy is building a dream studio and so far using mostly hi end gear. Seems price is no object.
I myself will be building my own treatment using Rock Wool ( Roxul)  which we actually manufacture here in town. I also have a pile of Cedar T&G that's going on the walls first. 
 

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Re: monitors 2017/05/31 17:24:20 (permalink)
Price is always an object. If it wasn't, one would construct a purpose-built building to the ideal dimensions and hire a professional acoustician to treat it.


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Re: monitors 2017/05/31 17:30:26 (permalink)
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being closed-back, are good for a home studio

This is something to consider. It would rule out choices like the HS8. If one wanted a Yamaha solution without a rear facing port look at the MSP series.
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Re: monitors 2017/05/31 18:03:05 (permalink)
Also, look at http://www.nextacoustics.com for sound absorption. The owner split from auralex years ago and started making his own products. They're less expensive than auralex, and the quality is great. I have their monitor risers, and I definitely like them better than the auralex. These let you adjust the tilt of the monitors.
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Re: monitors 2017/05/31 19:54:44 (permalink)
If you have the time, DIY room treatment is a far better deal than Auralex and other name-brand treatments. Lots of online resources for that. Otherwise, another name to look at is GIK Acoustics, who sell bass traps as well as the usual absorption & diffusion devices. Lots of helpful info on their site.
 
And +1 to the suggestion of buying used monitors -- you'll likely save a lot of money that way.
 
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Re: monitors 2017/06/01 00:03:23 (permalink)
Wow...good info. I'm going to summarize and print for my information: 1) consider used monitors ()where? ebay I suppose hmmm call local studios/ craigs list). 2) consider closed back (which undermines Yah HSs). Note-to-self research pros/cons of closed back.
 
By-the-way, I have been wondering about 8" woofers: Coming from 5", perhaps I'm better off with 6.5-7". I will be moving into a bigger room, but hmmmm.
 
Room treatment: auralex/realtraps.com/nextacoustics.com/GIKacoustics
 
thanks guys!
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Re: monitors 2017/06/01 03:33:54 (permalink)
Closed-back monitors would be best if they have a wall right behind. A rear port would tend to bounce sound off the wall, leading to odd reflections that would be tough to deal with. Fortunately, there are plenty of monitors that don't have a rear port, including the Equators I mentioned -- and if your budget is up to $1K/pair, their D8 model, with an 8" woofer, is worth looking at. $749/pair. 
 
If your room is spacious and well-treated, you should be able to accommodate 8" monitors. Otherwise, 5" (with or without a subwoofer) might work better.
 
Here's a good list of recommended monitors on GS.
 
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Re: monitors 2017/06/01 03:52:39 (permalink)
Thanks Eddie,
 
Yes...going without rear ports makes a lot of sense and I will be near a wall. I just looked at the D8's (via your link); I'll explore them some more; they are intriguing. I have found myself getting somewhat hooked on the Yamaha MSP7s........getting close to a decision; may go to gtr center tomorrow.
 
 
thanks,
 
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Re: monitors 2017/06/01 06:51:19 (permalink)
I would say just get the one that fits you budget man with all the bells and whistles you think you need, and use it for everything, listen to all kinds music you like with it extensively until you learn how the monitors behave in your room.
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Re: monitors 2017/06/02 01:03:51 (permalink)
Sorry I was unaware the Yamaha HS where rear ported, On Sweetwater they say ported but I just looked at a picture and yes they are,, That takes them off my shopping list for sure as I will not have a meter bridge set up. 
My friend has his about 4 feet from a dead wall. Mine will be a few inches so that does not work. I'm not sure about the MSP series being of the same quality. I'd lump those back in to my "I'd have to try them" list. You certaily don't see those on professional meter bridges. Genelec is a common brand used by the pros. 
 

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