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2015/03/10 18:03:55 (permalink)

please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks

I've got this crappy Soundblaster thing and was having to use ASIO4all... but now thats stopped working and now I'm having to use MME 32bit.. that actually works, but, I'd rather go ahead and get a good card with real ASIO drivers.
 
Can anyone recommend something under 200 bucks? I'm on a PC using Windows 7
 
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 18:21:44 (permalink)
Under 200 bucks you're not going to find anything really pro level but the Focusrite Saffires are popular I think.
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 18:35:39 (permalink)
i'm not looking for pro because eventually I hope to go to an 8channel audio interface. I do want a "decent" card with real ASIO drivers.
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 18:45:29 (permalink)
I'm looking at the Focusrite things. How do I connect this to my computer anyway? Just a single USB cable?
 
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 18:51:30 (permalink)
I've been contemplating this for travel with my laptop:
Focusrite Scarlett Solo - USB + Red 2 & Red 3 VSTs
http://www.americanmusica.com/Item--i-FOC-SCARSOLO

Yes, single USB cable. USB powered only so depends on your use and needs.
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 18:54:23 (permalink)
have look at the AKAI EIE PRO, biggest bang for the buck imo.
and a low latency you normally only get for 3 or 4 times the money (RME stuff fe)
soundwise it's close to that mid-range stuff and you'll need headphones to really tell the difference.
a Focusrite around 200 I heard has lot of latency I'm afraid.
(forget about the red AKAI EIE tha's a little cheaper, it's only 16 bit...you need the silver Akai box.)
 
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 19:03:34 (permalink)
+1 for the Akai. I picked one up locally in like new condition for $150 and am impressed with it. Very good sound 4 mic pres, USB hub, VU meters & more - very handy and worth consideration.
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 19:08:38 (permalink)
i forgot to mention, I'm not doing ANY recording on this machine, thats all done on another machine with a nice Delta 101LT card in it. This machine only does mixes, so, I dont need any sort of audio interface that has mic preamps or anything like that. Just a great clean accurate interface between the computer out and my Yamaha powered nearfield monitors. Thats it, thats all I need.
 
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 19:20:52 (permalink)
Do you have an onboard (Realtek) chip? For mixing only you may actually be able to get that to work.

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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 19:28:17 (permalink)
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Under 200 bucks you're not going to find anything really pro level but the Focusrite Saffires are popular I think.



What constitutes "Pro Level"? A lot of Pros with small home studios and mobile rigs use interfaces around that price range.
 
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i'm not looking for pro because eventually I hope to go to an 8channel audio interface. I do want a "decent" card with real ASIO drivers.

 
The Focusrite Scarlett interfaces are widely used and frequently recommended. I personally have no experience with them but those are the interfaces most people are purchasing these days. I'm running an M-Audio Firewire 410, this interface came out sometime in 2003 I believe, and I can get under 10msec latency with it. You can get pretty much any current interface around that price range and as long as there aren't any reported driver issues with the device you should have no problems.

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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 19:35:07 (permalink)
hi Roddey, you might still want to keep the AKAI in mind if you don't find anything else with that low latency.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 19:52:26 (permalink)
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Do you have an onboard (Realtek) chip? For mixing only you may actually be able to get that to work.



I've got a Soundblaster Audigy card installed, it doesnt have ASIO drivers, but it does work. I'm having to use the MME 32 drivers. For a long time I was able to use ASIO4ALL, but, when I upgraded to SONAR X3, that stopped working. I am not sure how great the MME setting is, and how accurate... so I wanted to get something better.
 
Even if its just to play back and not record.
 
Is the MME setting as good as anything else, just for playback purposes?
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 20:02:54 (permalink)
To edit and mix music you'll need ASIO
(it can be done on MME, I can't think of the tech facts right now but there's good reasons not to mix/edit on MME).
 
Would not give up yet on trying to get X3 and your Soundblaster to ASIO....should be possible somehow.
 
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 20:09:22 (permalink)
the Soundblaster card is not ASIO compliant. I was using ASIO4ALL but it was explained to me that its just a wrapper. I cant figure out why ASIO4ALL no longer works, and basically, I'm tired of messing with it. It wont respond, no matter what.
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 20:12:37 (permalink)
I use a focusrite Saffire Pro 14. It uses Firewire. It was around $250. I am quite happy with it. I would think the USB versions are probably cheaper and pretty good.
 
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 20:19:07 (permalink)
I was on a phone earlier, so was hard to type. ASIO4ALL is a WDM wrapper, and intrusive (it will conflict with legitimate drivers). If it is causing you any grief at all, it is highly recommended to uninstall it completely (even having it installed can interfere with other drivers).
 
I made this post a couple days ago on trying to get the Realtek chip "working" for playback. Another caveat I would throw in is to disable everything on the "Enhancement" and "DTS" tabs for the "Properties" on the "Realtek High Definition Audio," especially for mixing.
 
I use Adobe Audition for a lot of mastering tasks and run it in MME mode through the Realtek without issues. The latency is set to 200ms, and although I could probably run this lower, when mixing/mastering that delay is not as important as when tracking/recording.

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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 20:27:38 (permalink)
Focusrite, Presonus and the new Tascam units would probably be preferred at this point on the low end of the scale.  Many here at fine w/ their Focusrite units.  TASCAM are part of Gibson along w/ CAKEwalk, so they will naturally make sure those two work together and TASCAM has some nice new units in that price range.  I'd go w/ TASCAM at this point, all other things being equal.
 
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 20:43:08 (permalink)
I thought some Creative Audigy cards have an ASIO driver supplied by Creative?

As for alternatives, Focusrite seem well regarded, as do Roland. One thing to watch is that interfaces with their own power supplies often seem to work more reliably than ones powered by the USB bus. Not all PC USB ports are equal and they don't always deliver the voltage and current the spec says they should.

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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 20:59:43 (permalink)
Its not a sound card : http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/FCA610.aspx
use the firewire option with a TI chipset firewire card !
As for alternatives, Focusrite is also a vg option ..again go firewire
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 21:06:50 (permalink)
This may be a somewhat colored perception, but it seems to me that there is a threshold at the $200 mark.
At $200 and lower, average or even sub-par drivers are prevalent, and true ASIO support is hit and miss.
At $250, you jump into better hardware, with near universal ASIO support.
On that note, I can also highly recommend the Akai EIE Pro.
Awesome unit for $250.
 
You say you are holding out for an 8 input unit. That's all well and good, but you may find that 4 inputs will serve you 99% of the time.
The Akai(or a similar unit) may seem overkill for your current needs, but would cover some serious mileage for your future needs, and you might not need to buy another unit at all.

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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 21:18:13 (permalink)
Another good budget choice would be the Steinberg UR-22. I use it, and being a hobbyist it is all I need and I have no problems with it. It's a USB.

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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 21:18:37 (permalink)
I need 8 inputs because I record my band, live, all the time, and it takes 8 channels. I dont need that right now, my other machine, an older Windows XP system, has the nice delta card. Its fine for recording but doesnt have the power to mix. So, I mix on a newer, powerful Windows 7 machine. Its the Windows 7 machine that is using ASIO4ALL or MME to interface with a crappy, very low budget Soundblaster card.
 
Are you guys suggesting that I am getting an inaccurate playback if I use MME? Or even ASIO4ALL?
 
or that I'll get a better, "more true" playback with a FocusRite USB interface?
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 21:31:53 (permalink)
Maybe you should consider the Line6 UX1. Although it's primarily aimed at guitarists and has inputs that you don't need, it's known to work well with Sonar and it now seems to be available for under $200.
 
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 21:47:40 (permalink)
so you want ASIO and to record 8 channels for under $200? 
If you want to record 8 channels at once and dump it into your daw, get a zoom R16.
I use Focusrite products and they are good for the money.

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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 22:00:11 (permalink)
Which model of Audigy card do your Have? I have the Audigy II and there are windows 7 drivers for it. It is a PCI card with a breakout front panel and I just tested it last night and was surprised to find it works way better now than it did form me under XP 32 bit. There are no windows 8 drivers but it is possible the W 7 driver will work. Don't ever use asio4all. been there done that, it will be worse. Asio4all will work with the odd interface that doesn't come with drivers but in my experience it is not a stable driver. It is a WDM driver anyhow and not asio. 
 
Read this thread I'm running and go to page 2 to read about the Sound Blaster results.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Lets-all-TEST-our-Interface-driver-for-offset-m3178396.aspx
 
And asking about interfaces will get you a dozen "opinions" all based on what the person owns. Please don't shop that way. You need to make your own decision based on what you need here's a blurb I made about looking at interfaces; 
http://www.cactusmusic.ca/Articles/Johns%20Audio%20Interface%20blurb.rtf
 
But for now my guess is the Audigy will work IF there are ASIO drivers. It is a huge waist of time to use on board audio and mme drivers as I have found with the loop back test. WDM and MME mode are plagued with timing issues. Dropouts, and latency that is unmanageable. 
Sonar = ASIO
no other option is a good option. 

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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 22:32:04 (permalink)
I'm using the Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 and I am very happy with it
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 23:10:11 (permalink)
 
I just found this, and it claims to have ASIO drivers, and its onsale at amazon for 50 bucks.

http://us.creative.com/p/...ound-blaster-audigy-rx
 
I have its little brother, which sounds fine, my only problem was I worried that it did not support ASIO (it doesnt, but the above one, does)
 
is there any reason why I shouldnt try this?
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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 23:11:06 (permalink)
You may have not looked in the right place for the drivers. Only new products are on the Creative Worlwide site, and there are no links that work directly from the home page, You have to type in your model number to Google which will show results for the support.creative site for legacy drivers.  here is where my drivers are found. 
http://support.creative.com/Products/ProductDetails.aspx?prodID=149&prodName=Audigy%202
 
And ya ya ya, Focusrite have real good drivers I also use a 6i6. I see no point in buying a Scarlett solo or 2i2 if your only mixing and you can find the asio drivers for what you have and it works fine. 
The best bang fore the buck for input count is Tascam if you need 8 or more inputs.  
 
 

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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 23:36:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/11 12:41:48
Just to clarify to others, the OP is a bit misleading (especially the title), since the OP only requires mixing capability on a Win7 machine with a SoundBlaster card. I am not convinced that he does not already have what he needs to mix, since latency and driver mode are not as critical for mixing.
 
To the OP, some folks mix with 2048 samples, and this is not an issue, since everything plays back synched (just delayed in starting/stopping the transport). As long as good drivers do exist, playback is easily "doable." Your computer has the processing power and playback capability, is more getting it setup to use. "ASIO drivers" are not paramount in this case, but well-written drivers are (what we are trying to help you with).
 
As you said you have a recording setup and only require mixing, can you give us what model the card is that you have now? The "Device Manager" if you hit the Windows button and type this will give you the details if needed.

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Re: please recommend ASIO soundcard under 200 bucks 2015/03/10 23:47:33 (permalink)
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But for now my guess is the Audigy will work IF there are ASIO drivers. It is a huge waist of time to use on board audio and mme drivers as I have found with the loop back test. WDM and MME mode are plagued with timing issues. Dropouts, and latency that is unmanageable. 
Sonar = ASIO
no other option is a good option. 


Finally I get why ASIO! thanks!
I just updated my Lexicon Alpha ($50.00) drivers that now are supporting the ASIO format, my slight timing issues are now gone! But on some old tracks they seem to be playing really slow. I think if I setup a new project file and adjust the timing then import the wav files I may be able to resurrect so nice old recordings.
 
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