Although I'm sure there are and have been artists out there who have never once sought to share their art with or have it recognized by others they would be outliers. Of course many or most of us do it out of love and enjoyment of just creating it first and foremost but almost all, if asked (and answered truthfully), would say they'd like to have their art appreciated by others.
 
I think that was the point being made. Not that all artists FIRST motivation is success. More that on some level everything we create is, in some way, on some level, created for others to enjoy (or perhaps revile or simply acknowledge exists) as well.
 
We are a social animal hardwired to interact with our own species. Even art that is intended to repel, disgust and infuriate others is created to interact with those "others".
 
Even a Bhuddist or Hindi creating and destroying something like colored sand art in total isolation isn't necessarily doing it in a personal vacuum. It may not be for other humans to see but there is the idea that somehow the universe is an unseen spectator appreciating the effort and beauty.
 
And even the artists who TRULY have NONE of those external motivations are still trying to garner some appreciation from/deliver enjoyment to a conscious entity. Themselves.

Thanks, but I feel we have strayed WAY too far off the Coffee House mission statement.
 
BECAN!!
 
and sometimes munkeys...
 
;-p

I can only assume that English is not your first language (being from Norway and all) so I think you do pretty darned good, Jarsve.
 
If you asked me to be as articulate as you are in my own second language (French) I would fail miserably.
 
Cheers, buddy.

Depression is a complicated illness. It has a mental component but it can also have some real physical symptoms also. Fatigue, aches and pains are very common. I wish you well in getting it managed. Where there is life, there is hope.

ampfixer
Depression is a complicated illness. It has a mental component but it can also have some real physical symptoms also. Fatigue, aches and pains are very common. I wish you well in getting it managed. Where there is life, there is hope.

true that,i remember at one point being physically unable to get out of bed-the symptoms of depression can defy logic.
i was lucky to get professional help because sometimes life just throws too much at us and we just cant cope.
speak to an expert-there is usually a reason for why you feel depressed and it is usually something you can change or avoid.
now,when i feel the black dog nipping at my heels i turn around,kick it in the arse and move on.
treat it like you would the flu-rest,care and medicine if necessary and try to avoid forums-opinions are one thing,professional help is another.
good luck

Hi,
 

ampfixer
Depression is a complicated illness. It has a mental component but it can also have some real physical symptoms also. Fatigue, aches and pains are very common. I wish you well in getting it managed. Where there is life, there is hope.

 
No doubt.
 
And this is where a director, or helper is important, and can help define a detail and moment that the person can work with and still perform.
 
However, the best schools of acting, and the most important ones, work to break all/any mental barriers to any performance, and this is the part that is difficult to mention here, because most think that all they have to do is know their guitar part (so to speak!), and that's it, and all of a sudden they are in front of an audience of 5 or 500 or 5000, and they go ... wow ... and freeze.
 
Performance arts, are not for the weak, and the un-afraid.
 
Music schools are afraid to work on these sides/parts of the performance techniques, because the majority of things they know is the notes and chords, not the dimension and interpretation of music itself. You can easily see that in the output of musicians, in many schools ... they are all the same technical folks ... with no heart behind it, or that heart is hidden behind the mechanics. You have simply been taught "professional" mechanics.
 
You have to take your step forward, and slowly break out of it, but the more comfortable of actors and actresses, you will find them in theater, because it is much more than just learning their lines, and they know it. Film is less imposing, unless you consider the camera abusive, which is the case with some directors (won't discuss this here!), but something that can give a band an illusion about themselves, that they do not have on stage, and hurt their over all performance value.
 
I'm not the expert in this area, but in all my work, I have never had a single issue with this and any actor/actress, and one of the best jobs, EVER, by any of the folks I ever worked with, was done by a girl that had never been on the stage before, and she had the lead and was the point of interest in the whole thing. She not only nailed it, but got herself a great ovation.
 
I, personally, and I like to help kids develop their little art works, or writing or music, and give them little pointers to help the material not come off so boring, think, in a naive sort of way, that if you are afraid of your material and what you are doing, that you need to step back and look at it better, as this "inner fight", is going to prevent your development in the art form ... that's not to say that Susan or Julibee, or Karyn, should hang up their shoes, but all it tells me is that someone's teacher was so worried about mistakes, that working on a piece becomes a "job" and not a wonderful day in the life of the music and your heart! And I take issue with those "teachers", because they are killing music, and people's ability to express themselves!
 
How is it that I can get a kid to finish a picture, and they will be proud of its finish when they show me, and instead for an adult here, the first thing most do is ... is it any good? Do you like it? ... and you miss out on the process itself while "inside of it", which is the BEST, and the ONLY teacher you will ever need! The rest is talk, including what I say, more importantly when you/me/anyone accidentally take it away from the moment that can teach you ... into the area that only confuses you.

Jarsve
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been starting to write a new song too.
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The best medicine, too!
 
One last thing ... for me, there are times when I might get down on myself, because I can not get anything written, and I have found that each time, it is nothing but an inner change inside ... and once you "change" your process, all of a sudden ... it's all there and more.
 
I think that sometimes we have to stop, and smell the flowers ... and let some new and innovative thoughts and ideas to get in to our stuck brains ... in the end, these "breaks" (I call them mental breaks), are excellent and even a lot of fun.
 
So, the new poem, comes out different, than before!!! All the better!