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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2005/04/03 13:49:23 (permalink)
Why not word clock?


I is my understanding that their word clock implementaion is flawed and is to be avoided.
This is the first time I'd heard of anyone using it successfully.

Granted, my deltas are several years old. Perhaps they changed the design?

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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2005/04/03 15:08:31 (permalink)
That's good to know .. although I've never experienced any difference between the two multi ...
Also, the clocks have to be synching .. when clocks don't sync, it's *real* obvious.... in my
experience....

I'll have to read over how to rename them ... I tried hacking the .INI and changing "friendly names"
in the registry, but couldn't find that magic bullet ;-) .. Thanks!!!!

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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2005/04/03 15:10:53 (permalink)
that their word clock implementaion is flawed

Well, my 1010 is about 6 months old .. and it's syncing fine with
my Motu (who's the master) ... maybe they fixed something...
On thing that did not work was going in and out of the delta .. in
a chain... so I'm using a BNC T connector.

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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2005/04/03 20:03:50 (permalink)
I had two of the Deltas and sync'd them via S/PDIF. It worked very well and allowed me to monitor all the individual inputs and DSP mixer settings from both cards through just the 1 and 2 outputs from the second card (thanks to S/PDIF mirroring the Master selection available in the control panel). Worked very well.
post edited by CP - 2005/04/03 20:04:14
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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2005/04/03 21:01:01 (permalink)
It worked very well and allowed me to monitor all the individual inputs and DSP mixer

thats a good point if one is monitoring out of the mix bus of the Delta .. we were going
in and out to a mixer for reach input .. but if you don't have a mixer, chaining the
S/PDIFs would allow a composite mix out of each card..

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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2005/04/04 12:12:10 (permalink)
Sorry folks--I should have been more specific w/ my setup. I use BNCs, but with an external clock (lucid Gen-x). Not only is the difference audible immediately, I can run my hardware through sdpif (and of course sync it w/ the clock as well).

I remember those conversations about the problems w/ word clock, Stephen. My cards are several years old, and I haven't seen a single issue. What was more disturbing at the time was that a certain dealer was participating in those threads was the one who sold me my cards! Glad he was wrong.
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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2005/04/04 12:28:55 (permalink)
more disturbing at the time was that a certain dealer was participating in those threads was the one who sold me my cards!


gives you that warm fuzzy feeling don't it ;-)

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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2005/04/04 12:30:56 (permalink)
So, as long as all the cards are all in the same PC, there is no need for extra cables for syncing.


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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2005/04/04 13:08:14 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: jmarkham

more disturbing at the time was that a certain dealer was participating in those threads was the one who sold me my cards!


gives you that warm fuzzy feeling don't it ;-)

jeff



Yeah, well we ran him off a long time ago. Some probably know who I'm talking about......

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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2005/04/04 13:16:21 (permalink)
here's a link to Stevens thread regarding the assignments
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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2005/04/04 15:08:15 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: MKS

So, as long as all the cards are all in the same PC, there is no need for extra cables for syncing.




my experience is that you don't need them (the cables) ... however .. there's a good
reason to do so so that you can chain the monitoring path from one
card to the next using S/PDIF. I don't run 'em that way .. if you don't
go out to a separate mixer, then it's probably a good idea.

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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2006/03/21 03:48:25 (permalink)
can someone give me the link on the m-audio website i'm having trouble finding it...
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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2006/04/10 21:36:57 (permalink)
OK,

I've had a lot of questions about this topic. M-Audio's Knowledge Base is not terribly helpful.

Here's my dilemma.

Attempting to synch up a Delta 1010 and Delta 66. Delta 1010 is master.

According to this thread I either

A) Do not need to use SPDIF. The cards can be synched via the driver (is this synchronizing off a crystal on the motherboard)?

B) Delta 1010 master, Delta 66 slave. SPDIF goes from the 1010 SPDIF Out to the 66 SPDIF in. Set 1010 to "Internal Xtal" in the Delta Control Panel's "Hardware Settings" tab. In the Patchbay/Router tab, set this card to "Monitor Mixer" for the "HW Out S/PDIF". Activate "Single and in sync".

Set the 66 clock to Spdif IN. Set to Multi card mode.


C) This is from the M-Audio knowledge base. I double checked this today to make sure I was reading their instructions correctly.

1. Connect the 75-Ohm cable from the out (white) S/PDIF connection of the card sending master clock to the in (red) connection of the receiving card. Each additional card must be hooked in a daisy chain type of configuration.

2. Open the M Audio Delta H/W. The installed sound cards will appear down the right hand side of the panel. Select the card sending master clock.

3. On the Hardware settings tab of the master card select “Internal Xtal” for the “Master Clock setting”. In the “MultiTrack Driver Devices”, please select “Single and In-Sync”.

4. On the Hardware settings tab of all other synced cards, select “S/PDIF in” for the “Master Clock setting”. In the “MultiTrack Driver Devices”, please select “Single and In-Sync”.

After these steps are taken, the hardware is configured for use. The only step left is setting up your application to use the additional card(s).





Basically, all i really want is to be able to grab 10 simultaneous tracks of analog audio in Sonar. I don't care which of the above methods I have to use, I just want it to work correctly!!!!

So, for those of you that are using multiple Delta units, how are you going about doing this?
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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2006/04/10 22:01:38 (permalink)
I am connecting the 2 delta 1010's via BNC wordclock. I then tell Delta 2 to sync via wordclock. I use Single-in-Sync... for the setup. I am using the .27 drivers so I can easily name the I/O's until Cake decides to give us that option, then I'll probably move to the latest ones. I have been running this setup for about 4 years (I did switch from SPDIF to BNC last year to free up the SPDIF inputs).

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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2006/04/10 23:54:41 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: MKS

It amazes me how much info is contradictory in this thread.



Well look on the bright side, for those of us contemplating adding a second M-Audio card this thread gives plenty of testimony to the notion that multiple cards can work using more than one method, albeit depending on whether one wants to use the internal mixer function or not.

It's a lot better than those endless threads where people keep adding posts stating how they also have been unable to get their stuff to work right no matter what they've tried.

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RE: running two M- Audio delta 1010's? 2006/04/11 01:00:40 (permalink)
I used a 44 & 66 together for ages and no way to sync except through the driver. Worked 100%. Uses the same driver and patch bay as for the 1010. Just select multi sync option. Each unit is controlled selecting it on the right side of the patchbay window then applying whatever settings you require.

Here's the info for renaming. I think courtesy of Steven Bell

Download the new driver EXE.
Double-click on it.
Choose "remove existing" from the three choices and follow any prompts.
Double-click on the EXE again when it's done.
It will guide you through the installation process.
When prompted about re-booting, choose "later"
Navigate to C:\Windows\Inf
Click on the "Date Created" heading to sort the files.
The newly created oem??.inf file will be on/near the top. (mine was oem16.inf)
Right-click on it and open with Notepad.
Search for your hardware near the bottom of the file.
For my delta 1010, the variable name is "szPname".

So, for my 1010's I renamed the "M-Audio Delta 1010" in szPname to "A" resulting in them changing from:

DELTA1010.Wave1.szPname ="M-Audio Delta 1010 Multi"
DELTA1010.Wave2.szPname ="M-Audio Delta 1010 1/2"
DELTA1010.Wave3.szPname ="M-Audio Delta 1010 3/4"
DELTA1010.Wave4.szPname ="M-Audio Delta 1010 5/6"
DELTA1010.Wave5.szPname ="M-Audio Delta 1010 7/8"
DELTA1010.Wave6.szPname ="M-Audio Delta 1010 S/PDIF"
DELTA1010.Wave7.szPname ="M-Audio Delta 1010 Mon. Mixer"
DELTA1010.Wave8.szPname ="M-Audio Delta 1010 Game"

to this:

DELTA1010.Wave1.szPname ="A Multi"
DELTA1010.Wave2.szPname ="A 1/2"
DELTA1010.Wave3.szPname ="A 3/4"
DELTA1010.Wave4.szPname ="A 5/6"
DELTA1010.Wave5.szPname ="A 7/8"
DELTA1010.Wave6.szPname ="A S/PDIF"
DELTA1010.Wave7.szPname ="A Mon. Mixer"
DELTA1010.Wave8.szPname ="A Game"

File/Save As
delta A.inf
with the "Save as type" set to "all files" to make sure you don't end up with a .txt extension.

Now change all of those "A"'s to "B" if you have a 2nd unit.

File/Save As
delta B.inf

Now change all of those "B"'s to "C" if you have a 3rd unit
File/Save As
delta C.inf


At this point you can go into Control Panel and Add Hardware, but when I installed this way, the installer got a little confused and I had to go back into it to install the 2nd unit. But you do have this option.

Otherwise you can re-boot.
Windows finds the new hardware (since it was not fully installed before)
You can choose the Automatic installation.
Now your delta A and delta B options appear along with the oem option.

Choose delta A and follow the prompts to install it.

For some reason the installer cannot find the delta.sys file and you have to navigate to it manually.

No big deal.

It is in C:\Documents and Settings\<your logon name>\Local Settings\temp

under that folder there is a folder with a long registry key as it's name.
click to open that.

under that folder there is yet another folder with a long registry key as it's name.
click to open that.

(if you have trouble finding it, you can always navigate to C:\Documents and Settings, right-click and choose "Search" and look for delta.sys)

There you will see the delta.sys file. Click on it and press [OK] and follow any other prompts.

This should complete the installation for your first unit.

If you have a 2nd unit, Windows will prompt you to install it.

Follow the above directions except choose "delta B" at the appropriate time.
And yes, you get to navigate to the delta.sys file again.

At this point your drivers are ready to use, but the icon will not appear in your sys tray until you re-boot.

Don't forget to re-run the SONAR Wave Profiler.

Any questions, feel free to ask.

< Message edited by Steven Bell -- 1/8/2005 11:31:29 AM >

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