tascam us-16x08 UPDATE ABSOLUTELY NO JOY sonar: only audio dropouts now

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2017/01/08 16:31:47 (permalink)

tascam us-16x08 UPDATE ABSOLUTELY NO JOY sonar: only audio dropouts now

Sent message to Sonar tech. They sent me to Tascam tech. Sent message to them on Monday: NO response.
 
Meanwhile, back at the ranch: I installed the 16x08 on another AMD based computer. Installed the latest sonar version and SAME results: immediate drop-out and error about device not found.
I could still use the media player and play youtube vids, with sound just fine.
 
Yes,  ASIO was selected in sonar.  Sonar found/finds the device correctly.
 
Today I installed a new USB card because a Tascam tech told another poster to do this and it fixed their problem with noise.
Installed a Mailiya PCI-E to USB 3.0 2-Port PCI Express Card, with NEC chip.
I uninstalled the 16x08 driver, restarted, and installed the driver, restarted. (Did not update to 2.1)
I tested with media player and videos: all good.
 
Loaded sonar and NO JOY. Same dropout and error. AND:::: the windows error sound was heard by all.
 
Again, i send a message to tascam. 
 
This has been a very unhappy experience. A waste of time, and lost income after the OS disk refused to boot after uninstalling the driver. (See details below if you have any interest whatsoever.)
 
I am prolly not purchasing a tascam product again.
 
Way too many messages everywhere about problems with these devices, including lots of sonar users who gave up. I should have read more before wasting my time.
 
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UPdate: After the problems below, i uninstalled the tascam driver and the OS disk became poop on a rope.
No way to fix it. So i started new: fresh w10 anniversary install and all updates.
I installed the tascam software. Could play youtube vids, sound was fine.
BUTTTT:  the computer would not boot with the tascam powered-on.
It worked after the computer was booted.
I installed the latest CCC and sonar and a few other bits.
I started Sonar, it found the tascam and then I attempted to play a tutorial file. It loaded fine.
Immediate audio drop-out and display of error: audio device not working, or some such.
 
I have thought the motherboard USB ports were sometimes strange before i attempted to installed the tascam.
So, i updated the bios for the MB: an fix for some USB 3 stuff.
All went well, except the OS disk was not bootable. (The disk is fine, removed tested,... not the disk)
 
So, again i do the OS fresh install thang.
I install the tascam, it works fine.
I change the windows audio settings to prevent programs from claiming total control.
I install the CCC, and the latest sonar.
I load a project, and audio dropout.
 
And the computer will not boot with the tascam powered-on.
 
Current system: Gigabyte 970a-d3p, AMD fx-8320, 8 gigabytes ram, three disks
 
Any ideas to fix this?
 
Getting ready to order new Motherboard.
 
 
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Just finished installing and updating a tascam us-16x08 interface,
 
sonar crashes on opening. I have restarted. I have change the windows audio settings.
 
Any ideas?
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    Cactus Music
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/08 17:46:45 (permalink)
    By updating do you mean you updated the Tascam firmware? 
     
    So your saying the Tascam shows in Windows as your audio device? 
    Did you find a Tascam icon in control panel you can open the GUI and set your buffers?  This will prove the Tascam is up and running properly. Play some music with Media player. 
    If tall that is good then it narrows things down to Sonar is not happy for some reason.
     
    You did re start your computer?  

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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/08 18:39:34 (permalink)
    The interface is working. Videos play fine.
     
     
    Did a firmware update, and installed the latest panel.
     
    Sonar Plat displays the splash screen and then nuttin.
     
     
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/09 00:06:54 (permalink)
    Is the Tascam showing as the only audio device? 
    What other audio devices or drivers have you installed. 
    Asio4all and Creative as example can cause this to happen. 
    Uninstall and/or disable all other audio drivers including HDMI audio in device manager. 

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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/09 15:32:57 (permalink)
    Thank you for your questions,
     
    The Tascam was working fine. Playing videos and testing system sounds. All good.
     
    I did remove the software for the old audio devices. They were not loading but now all gone.
     
    Sonar would display the splash screen and then hang.
     
    After the 10th restart from installing and uninstalling, I uninstalled the Tascam software, and some old unused programs.
     
    Unfortunately the machine would no longer boot. Tried some repairs this morning but noooooooo.
     
    So the OP is sorta moot until I get the comp working.
     
     
     
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/09 15:48:36 (permalink)
    At this point you should maybe give more details of your system specs. We don't even know what OS your using. 
    Possibly you have a hardware issue and that was the problem to begin with. Possibly your OS drive. 
    Can you open the Bios and check if your OS drive is active?  
    Open the case and check all the connections. I just moved a computer the other day and lost my data drive. It was a loose connection. 
     

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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/09 16:19:53 (permalink)
    I couldn't get the ASIO drivers supplied with my 16x08 to work with Sonar either.
    WDM works, so now I just use it for playback and mixdown work.
     
    The ASIO drivers work fine with Reaper and other audio software. Just not with Sonar.
     
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/09 17:50:09 (permalink)
    Well your doing something wrong because many people here are using the US 16x08 with out issue. After all Tascam and Sonar are owned by Gibson and my guess is they use Sonar to test the interface drivers. 
     
    Edit: I was wrong here, now I'm seeing reports of issues with this one interface.  
    post edited by Cactus Music - 2017/02/03 19:28:43

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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/09 17:58:33 (permalink)
    http://tascam.com/content/downloads/products/859/e_us-16x08_fw-update_va.pdf
     
    http://tascam.com/content/downloads/products/859/e_us-16x08_rn_vd.pdf
     
    And you should be using Driver 2.00 released in November. The seem to have changed the driver to a combo pack like Focusrite does. You get the driver and the control panel update in one download. 
     
    You need to follow install direction very carefully when doing firmware updates.
     
    And if it's like my Tascam don't turn the unit on or plug in the usb cable until it tells you during driver installation or it won't work. 

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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/10 00:41:06 (permalink)
    I have two Tascams, US-122mkII and US-2x2 (side note: the 122mkII gives me less issues then the newer 2x2) and the both required to be installed as Cactus said:
    Cactus Music
    And if it's like my Tascam don't turn the unit on or plug in the usb cable until it tells you during driver installation or it won't work. 


    Doubt this will help your situation, but with my older one I had to install the CD version that came with it, then Sonar worked (this was with X2 or 3, can't exactly recall). I could then update to the latest version, including the firmware...must have been a lunar alignment issue 

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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/26 22:32:14 (permalink)
    So, the plot stiffens.
     
    I could not fix the OS disk. Very unhappy.
     
    So, i have just installed the Anniversary edition of w10. installed the video driver.
     
    and then installed the current version of the tascam driver/panel.
     
    no request to connect the device.
     
    i connected the device. It appears to be found. It is displayed in the windows audio panels.
     
    BUT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
     
    The device was not found so i move the USB cable from the USB 3 to a USB 2 socket.
     
    ANDDDDDDDD
     
    The computer will not boot if the tascam device is powered on.
    and the front panel shows  an orange LED for the USB indicator.
     
    This is very sad.
     
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/26 22:36:30 (permalink)
    Trying now to restart the computer.   took a long time.
     
    This indicates i lost significant time (weeks and now days rebuilding) because of the problems with the tascam driver.
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/26 22:51:46 (permalink)
    Computer will not boot with the tascam powered on.
     
    Will start installed Sonar from 6-current next.
     
    Maybe.
     
     
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/27 08:48:36 (permalink)
    I've been using a US-16x08 for quite some time.  It is/was finicky for me in some of instances. 
     
    The BiaB folks had to make a change in their ASIO code for it to work properly with BiaB.  It works fine now.
     
    AmpliTube and Sample Tank preset/instrument changes will frequently introduce a huge delay.  In SONAR, toggling PDC after the change gets it back.  In Reaper opening/closing prefs>devices gets it back.  I bought a UMC404HD to compare - zero problems with the 404.  The downside is the output levels of the 404 ... <sigh>
     
    WDM mode in SONAR does NOT work correctly at all.  I have not tried WDM  with the 16x08 in other software.
     
    The above problems with IKM software are an annoyance, but not show-stoppers as everything else seems to work fine and I LOVE the flexibility of the 16x08.  I'm enduring it until my next DAW, hopeful that updated chipsets will improve the situation.  If it's still wonky at that point I'll probably ditch the 16x08 and replace it with an I-don't-know-what.
     
    The recent driver/firmware updates didn't result in any real changes good or bad.
     
    It's entirely possible that there is something wrong with your 16x08 hardware.

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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/27 09:12:21 (permalink)
    Thank you for your response.
     
    The tascam is working with browser videos and other sound tests. 
     
    I have yet to test with Sonar, not yet installed. 
     
    The current issue is the  computer will not boot if the tascam is powered-on.
     
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/27 09:25:43 (permalink)
    jm24
    The current issue is the  computer will not boot if the tascam is powered-on.



    I would resolve this part before I spent any time at all on anything else.  This is a pretty serious problem, IMO.

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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/28 20:36:54 (permalink)
    Another new bit: i change to another USB port, the third tried, and the computer now boots.
     
    But sonar still does not like it. Very frusterating.
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/29 00:54:58 (permalink)
    Are you using USB 2 or 3 ports?

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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/29 10:40:06 (permalink)
    Using a USB 3 port allows the computer to boot with the tascam powered-on.
     
    I have just now disabled the built-in, and AMD vid card, audio interfaces.
     
    And increased the number of samples to 512.
     
    Same issue.
     
    After the drop out, a dialog is displayed: The audio device is not accessible.
     
    Yet, i can play videos and music with the windows player just after.
     
    I am confused.
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/29 11:01:56 (permalink)
    Does it drop out as soon as you hit play? 
     
    Or does it run for a bit and then drop out? 
     
    fwiw, checking out a US-20x20. In general, SONAR running ok but still exploring configuration issues. Drivers are not yet inspiring as much confidence as one might hope for from a related company. AMD drivers keep re-enabling the High Definition Audio Bus on every PC power on. 
     

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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/29 11:37:22 (permalink)
    Just sent a summary to support.
     
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/29 12:29:08 (permalink)
    I was at a point a few weeks ago a big fan of Tascam and the fact they updated the drivers for my old old us1641 made me believe they are on a roll with better drivers. 
    But this one model that you have can be found on different music sites to be a problem child. I have read a few times now complaints about that model. 
     
    Just last night I was reading reviews for mixing boards that include USB interfaces. 
    A review for the Soundcraft Signature boards and one reviewer said he had given up on using his Tascam 16x08 due to driver issues and also mentioned he was a Sonar Plat user. Had no problem using the Soundcraft at all.  
    So I would either see if you can return the interface for another model or be bugging Tascam directly about this. 
     
    You should not be having these issues. You have done all the right things and it should not be that hard to get a interface to work. It is not Sonar and I doubt if it's your hardware or OS. 
    Proof would be to try another interface. 
     
     

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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/01/29 14:08:32 (permalink)
    Thank you all for your help.
     
    This has been very disappointing. A significant waste of time.
     
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/02/03 16:48:11 (permalink)
    ABSOLUTELY NO JOY.
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/02/04 10:39:35 (permalink)
    jm24
    Using a USB 3 port allows the computer to boot with the tascam powered-on.
     
    I have just now disabled the built-in, and AMD vid card, audio interfaces.
     
    And increased the number of samples to 512.
     
    Same issue.
     
    After the drop out, a dialog is displayed: The audio device is not accessible.
     
    Yet, i can play videos and music with the windows player just after.
     
    I am confused.


    Try a USB 2.0 port if you have one.  Some USB 2 interfaces don't like USB 3 ports.

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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/02/05 00:35:46 (permalink)
    Absolutely not what you want to hear, but I'm running a 16x08 with the latest drivers and firmware and it's working perfectly for me on SPlat, Windows 10 x64, etc. My system specs are in my sig - pretty underpowered system for 2017!
     
    The reason I mention this is just to say that this isn't a universal thing, rather than to gloat that mine works and yours doesn't. (Really sorry you're having issues, that always sucks!) As you saw in this thread, BobF uses a 16x08 successfully too, so that would suggest there's something odd going on local to your machine.
     
    I definitely agree about USB3 being a problem with some devices but the big thing is that your machine won't power up with the 16x08 attached to a USB2 port. That sounds like a driver/address conflict somewhere with something important.
     
    Are you in a position to do a system image to back up everything, and load a completely clean version of Windows Anniversary on your machine, no other devices connected, with basically nothing except for that and your TASCAM driver? If THAT still has the same issue then that's a pretty big problem. So what I'm suggesting is getting a fresh install of an up to date Windows Anniversary rather than letting it patch itself. I know some people have had issues with that breaking things.
     
    That should be the first place to start troubleshooting, if it all boots fine, and then work backwards from there. Load in specific drivers for each bit of hardware you have and see if it boots up fine with the 16x08 on a USB2 port. If you can get as far as a clean system with all your devices connected and drivers loaded, and the SONAR makes it fail, I'm pretty sure that's something the devs would love to investigate further, because that's a pretty big deal.

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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/02/06 18:58:41 (permalink)
    Thank yous guys for your responses. I appreciate gloating when required.
     
    As i wrote above: Two fresh installations of w10, from anniversary disks.
    The computer will not boot with the tascam attached to a usb2 port. Usb3 is fine.
    Obviously the tascam works with windows sounds and music and videos.
    Just not with an asio program.
    Reaper also is not interested.
     
    I have tried on two computers. And installed a NEC based usb card that another poster said fixed his problem with noise and the 16x08. This is a usb 3 card. The computer boots, and windows likes sending sound to the tascam.
     
    Maybe it has something to do with AMD boards and the asio drivers? Maybe need an intel board. That will make me sad. Until this problem the 8-core is running happy.
     
    I have read posts from others on other forums that they could not get it to work and gave up. 
     
    So, two computers, and a new usb card, windows sounds work on both, and sonar and reaper refuse to be happy.
     
    Waiting for a response from tascam.
     
    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I am using the built-in sound card to get some editing done. Will attach an old emu usb that was working before i lost my brain and tried to use the tascam.
     
    Again, thanks for the help.
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/02/06 19:16:48 (permalink)
    It's NOT just SONAR  (Win8.1x64)
     
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    Tracktion
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    The TASCAM 16x08 crackles, pops, farts, snorts and coughs.  In my own use, it's worse with IKM software, but it's a PITA for sure.  The latest drivers seem to be worse in some ways, better in others.
     
    Using my FA06 as an interface, a Zoom R24, a UMC404HD ... all perform flawlessly, though limited in other ways.
     
    It is a TURD that polish nor lipstick will make better.  I can fiddle with settings and get along with it, but if a new system/MB with Intel USB doesn't solve the problem(s), this thing will go to the electronics recycle bin.
     
    It is NOT SONAR

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    jm24
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/02/06 21:09:34 (permalink)
    this is sad.  That gibson/tascam/CW have created a product that should work great and does not is just sad.
     
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    Re: tascam us-16x08 sonar crashes on opening 2017/02/07 00:57:58 (permalink)
    Yeah, this is pretty sucky for sure. I'm starting to lean towards it being a faulty 16x08 like was mentioned earlier.

    Have you tried having a fiddle with your BIOS settings in regards to how it handles USB devices? I know there's some legacy settings which might change how things talk at the hardware level, even before it gets to Windows.

    No other good suggestions here if you have no joy from that or useful info from TASCAM.

    Is there a chance of trying a replacement 16x08 and seeing if the symptoms persist? That would rule out a hardware issue.

    I don't think anyone would blame you if you decided to just cut your losses and get a new interface, honestly.

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