SONAR 6 - is there a way to align measure starts to MIDI data to create tempo map?

In Sonar 6, after you play in a midi track in real time with all your nuances and timing, can you then go back and drag barlines to lineup with the first beat of measures -- thus creating a tempo map? Or is there something similar to this In Sonar 6? Would be very helpful while writing orchestral music. I heard about this feature in Nuendo, and was wondering...

Thanks,
Mahlon

sorry I'm a noob to sonar 6 but midiphile since mid 1980's; others may know better...

but...

Couldn't you simultaneously record the live audio from your synth AND MIDI data then use audiosnap to snap tempo to your audio track?

I have only started with Audiosnap on one song last weekend but I am impressed so far. A tweaker's delight.

Yes indeed you can basically do this. Check out fit to improvisation in the help file. It can also be done with audiosnap but with fit to improve you basically beat out a track to match the correct rhythm, and fit to improv will add a whole bunch of tempo changes so that all the notes line up where they should without changing the music.

Thanks for the help, guys. I was hoping there would be something more visual than fit improvization. I suppose this could be a feature request, eh?

Mahlon

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Thanks for the help, guys. I was hoping there would be something more visual than fit improvization. I suppose this could be a feature request, eh?

Mahlon

I think the "new" feature introduced in Sonar 6, namely Audiosnap, sounds like something you could use to achieve this. I think you need to align the beats in an audio track (rather than a MIDI track, which surprises me that this part was left out) -- but all the accompanying MIDI stuff should re-align accordingly. I know, because I've done this when recording my band where our drummer uses a V8 (midi) drum kit. I use the audiosnap tool against the drummer's audio tracks, and his accompanying MIDI that I captured realigns itself as you'd expect.

The net effect is that nothing should sound any different, but now you have a matching tempo grid with which to work. Of course, you can then take it a step further, and using audiosnap in conjunction with the tempo map, change the tempo map such that the audio tracks (and midi tracks of course) will change tempo too. It can take a bit of work to make it sound natural and without artifacts generated everywhere, but certainly possible.

We had one song where the drummer dropped his sticks and, in picking them up, the tempo wavered significantly for a few measures. It took me a while to play around with it, but I eventually got it to sound right where you wouldn't even notice the original issue. Of course, it's often better to redo the song if you can, but sometimes you have no choice and audiosnap is a great tool -- and why I asked for such a feature to be added for many releases. Just be prepared to experiment and learn....and you'll be surprised at what you can do.

After rubato midi recording I usually do next:

open Piano Roll, select first note wich falls on downbeat and press F7. You have cursor at this note start. Press Ctrl+M and type appropriate measure number and "1" in beat field.

Select next note on next 1st beat, press F7, then Ctrl+M etc.

Then do the same for notes on 2nd, 3rd and 4th beats within measures, only this time type 2, 3 or 4 in the beat field. You can even line up eigths and 16th notes this way, but in this case you type decimal fractures in the beat field. (Which is very unmusical, but so it is. My major FR is to get rid of decimal fractures and percentages in dialog windows).

You can't drag barlines to notes. This is Cubase's feature and I wish to have it in Sonar, but... Maybe in 7?

Thanks VariousArtist and vovchik. I'll try both those methods. I work in just orchestral midi -- so I don't have any audio. I could convert the midi to audio, but I'd like to be able to work with the tempo ineteractively while working with midi -- before final mixing.

Thanks again,
Mahlon

Don't forget that Set Beat/Measure at Now Time is available in S6.

Place the cursor where you want it. Press Ctrl-M and a dialog box will appear. Tell SONAR what measure and beat is at your cursor position and a tempo map is created to get you there.

SONAR 6 - is there a way to align measure starts to MIDI data to create tempo map?
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Ok Mod Bod, that's pretty cool. I guess I'm going to have to upgrade to 6.

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SONAR 6 - is there a way to align measure starts to MIDI data to create tempo map?
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Ok Mod Bod, that's pretty cool. I guess I'm going to have to upgrade to 6.

I knew you were just waiting for me to push you over the edge.