what others think of this forum

I was slumming over at Gearslutz and found this comment

And according to the coders and devs over at the pig-pile that is the Cake forums right now,(bold mine) there are a bunch of core improvements to the audio handling, that it is more efficient now and has no effective limitations to size.


so a compliment for Sonar and a slam for the forum
I know it should not bother me and I can rationalize the snide comments form other forums and posters who don't like or use Cakewalk products.. do we really exude, as a whole, that kind of character to lurkers?

/rant off

Who cares? This is the best forum there is on the planet. I rarely go there anyways.

we should send our forum-leader over there to straighten things out.. he always finds the right words

ORIGINAL: musicman100

I was slumming over at Gearslutz and found this comment

And according to the coders and devs over at the pig-pile that is the Cake forums right now,(bold mine) there are a bunch of core improvements to the audio handling, that it is more efficient now and has no effective limitations to size.


so a compliment for Sonar and a slam for the forum
I know it should not bother me and I can rationalize the snide comments form other forums and posters who don't like or use Cakewalk products.. do we really exude, as a whole, that kind of character to lurkers?

/rant off

I'm not thinkin' so.

Lately it HAS been a bit more chaotic than usual with the S7 release and almost accidental viral marketing. The "pig-pile" comment may also refer to the fact that the forum gets posts from all crawls of life, from seasoned studio veterans to the probably thousands of "Joe Blows" who just want to get SONAR to work with their Sound Blaster card.

We've been dissed at Gearslutz before. I think they're mostly Cubasers who find it incomprehensible that there is a group of users who actually like their product and its vendor. Clearly, we must be a bunch of militant, brainwashed wingnuts.

Pardon me for being on subject,but I guess I am so old
I don't know how to do forums. I'm trying to figure out
how to post a new question, since I am having a problem?
Can anyone help

reminds me of that old bumper sticker
don't tell my mom I am a GS forum member, she thinks I play piano in a W***EHOUSE

I like gearslutz.. Just because I LEARN A LOT about gear and techniques.. I ask mainly Sonar related question here..

I posted there asking how many Sonar users were in "Low End" I was surprised, the thread gained about 3-4 pages of GOOD responses..

ORIGINAL: Frank Haas

we should send our forum-leader over there to straighten things out.. he always finds the right words

I don't think Oprah visits any other forums.

I'm glad that person doesn't frequent this forum. I think most people can just from the tone and what they said, the value of the comment.

As for what I think of this forum,,, Top Shelf.

ORIGINAL: philcant

Pardon me for being on subject,but I guess I am so old
I don't know how to do forums. I'm trying to figure out
how to post a new question, since I am having a problem?
Can anyone help

That would be "for being OFF subject"...

Go to the "SONAR Producer and Studio" page (where you see the list of posts...not the individual posts themselves) and find the "New Post" button. Once you open a new post, make sure you Subject line gives enough information (in a very few words), that people have an idea what your post is about. Subjects like "Help Me" aren't very helpful.

ORIGINAL: 7XL

ORIGINAL: Frank Haas

we should send our forum-leader over there to straighten things out.. he always finds the right words

I don't think Oprah visits any other forums.

I cant believe your still on about Oprah??

There will be so many mentions of her name here, that we will get the number 2 spot (under her site) when searching in Google..!

ORIGINAL: plainfaced

ORIGINAL: 7XL

ORIGINAL: Frank Haas

we should send our forum-leader over there to straighten things out.. he always finds the right words

I don't think Oprah visits any other forums.

I cant believe your still on about Oprah??

There will be so many mentions of her name here, that we will get the number 2 spot (under her site) when searching in Google..!

You started it. And now Oprah is permanently entrenched in the Sonar 7 Hall Of Fame.

And what would it hurt if we get listed right below her in Google?

You just want to keep her to yourself.

ORIGINAL: musicman100

so a compliment for Sonar and a slam for the forum

ehhh...one person's opinion. Of course, we NEVER bash other forums here, do we?

I enjoy gearslutz too. Some of the info on gear there is really good. I really like the new products forum at GS. A forum is a group of folks. You will always have people who can't resist comments like that.

I don't know what 'pig-pile' means but I think this is a great forum. Others I visit frequently are Line6 and Native Instruments. Cakewalk is absolutely the best of those three. I think the diversity of the population, both in terms of experience and also personalities is what makes it so interesting. You get all types of questions and responses: angry, giddy, impatient, sarcastic, humorous, defensive, provocative, condescending, but in the end you can almost guarantee that the overall tone will be helpfull and your questions will be answered.

ORIGINAL: musicman100
pig-pile that is the Cake forums right now

I think you're reading too much into that comment... or maybe not enough!

The poster of that comment is a member here... And he got his upgrade yesterday.

The characterization of "pig-pile" is both fair and really not deragatory in any way... The forum always gets a little crazed this time of year. The term "pig-pile" isn't a bad thing...

I will say that this year's many discussions of pricing and missing features is much tamer than last year's endless rants on the GUI changes, the slimmed-down manual, the missing S5 bug fixes, etc., etc. etc. Listen, some of those complaints are perfectly valid, but when it deteriorates into name calling, then that's just out of control. Not so out of control this year... so, cheers fellow forum members, even those of us who are disgruntled...

OK so what is the dealio with you and Oprah? You know she is the reincarnation of Harpo Marx right?

Oprah-harpO.

Dude if you have a thing for her/him, I am not here to criticize you, but you might not want to be so open. Not everyone is understanding.

ORIGINAL: 7XL

ORIGINAL: Frank Haas

we should send our forum-leader over there to straighten things out.. he always finds the right words

I don't think Oprah visits any other forums.

Ever noticed there's always a table full of ugly chicks at the club with snotty attitudes. "Oh, look at her. She's such a slut! I can't believe SHE's wearing that...."

I kind of figure it's the same thing.

ORIGINAL: space_cowboy

OK so what is the dealio with you and Oprah? You know she is the reincarnation of Harpo Marx right?

Oprah-harpO.

Dude if you have a thing for her/him, I am not here to criticize you, but you might not want to be so open. Not everyone is understanding.

ORIGINAL: 7XL

ORIGINAL: Frank Haas

we should send our forum-leader over there to straighten things out.. he always finds the right words

I don't think Oprah visits any other forums.

Just follow this as long as you can. Then you might get an understanding about the Oprah thing.

**** 'em

ORIGINAL: musicman100

I was slumming over at Gearslutz and found this comment

And according to the coders and devs over at the pig-pile that is the Cake forums right now,(bold mine) there are a bunch of core improvements to the audio handling, that it is more efficient now and has no effective limitations to size.


so a compliment for Sonar and a slam for the forum
I know it should not bother me and I can rationalize the snide comments form other forums and posters who don't like or use Cakewalk products.. do we really exude, as a whole, that kind of character to lurkers?

/rant off

And according to the coders and devs over at the pig-pile that is the Cake forums right now,(bold mine) there are a bunch of core improvements to the audio handling, that it is more efficient now and has no effective limitations to size.


so a compliment for Sonar and a slam for the forum
I know it should not bother me and I can rationalize the snide comments form other forums and posters who don't like or use Cakewalk products.. do w

This is a good forum for getting help on Sonar, it can't be beat.

What I always find funny is people who get emotional about software and computers in general. To me software and hardware are nothing more than tools, just like the hammers and wrenches in my garage.
For me the emotion comes with creating music and the finished product, not how I got there with the tools I use.

And when I see people with thousands and thousands of post's and they get all ramped up about anything, what I see there is a person who needs to spend more time making music and less time running the mouth. Turn the internet off and go get creative!

To me software and hardware are nothing more than tools, just like the hammers and wrenches in my garage.

That's like saying your guitar is nothing more than a tool.

ORIGINAL: 7XL

You just want to keep her to yourself.

Get her near a buffet...there will be plenty of Oprah to go around!

ORIGINAL: bitflipper

That's like saying your guitar is nothing more than a tool.

Well, Flip, all of my guitars ARE tools, but that's probably cause I never cashed out enough on one axe to really feel committed to it...

But you gotta admit it's a bit wierd. Like say, for instance a week or so ago, ArtSoul announced that he had been forced to get PT cause of some file naming tool that he requires for his business. There was really a lot of "shame on you" types of replies! Like he was some sort of cowardly traitor buying a second DAW program just because he needed ONE tool. What's up with this loyalty thing? It's like White Pride or something! If anything the software companies should be loyal to US, not vice versa. After all, WE'RE the ones paying THEM!

Sven

ORIGINAL: bitflipper

To me software and hardware are nothing more than tools, just like the hammers and wrenches in my garage.

That's like saying your guitar is nothing more than a tool.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Is a guitar something more? They don't have brains, feelings, emotions. They are only tools unless a human makes it something more, but that is only a human trait.

Just like a great woodworker creates works of art with his ****tools*** we can create works of art with out instruments. The minute you become emotional about a tool is simply human behavior.

Actually, I think the Sonar forum has gone downhill. A year or so ago I thought it was the most useful music-production related forum out there, in that there was always a lot of very knowledgable people who would help you out even if you're a total newbie or if your issue wasn't strictly Sonar-related. That's still basically true, but there's a lot more nastiness now. Frequent accusations of piracy, and numerous complaints about various types of threads or even specific posters some times. There seems to be a lot more RTFM responses as well. But it's still a good place to go to get answers to your questions....

ORIGINAL: musicman100

I was slumming over at Gearslutz and found this comment

And according to the coders and devs over at the pig-pile that is the Cake forums right now,(bold mine) there are a bunch of core improvements to the audio handling, that it is more efficient now and has no effective limitations to size.


so a compliment for Sonar and a slam for the forum
I know it should not bother me and I can rationalize the snide comments form other forums and posters who don't like or use Cakewalk products.. do we really exude, as a whole, that kind of character to lurkers?

/rant off

ORIGINAL: bitflipper

To me software and hardware are nothing more than tools, just like the hammers and wrenches in my garage.

That's like saying your guitar is nothing more than a tool.

Or your tool is nothing but a guitar.

You know I really don't care what others think about this forum. I only care what I think about it.

Why do you care what you think about it? Don't let yourself dictate how you feel about things!

ORIGINAL: John

You know I really don't care what others think about this forum. I only care what I think about it.

ORIGINAL: John

You know I really don't care what others think about this forum. I only care what I think about it.

I'm sure that Oprah would approve of this message.

ORIGINAL: 7XL

ORIGINAL: John

You know I really don't care what others think about this forum. I only care what I think about it.

I'm sure that Oprah would approve of this message.

Dude! You're driving me nuts with that Oprah crap .

I'm sure that Oprah would approve of this message.

Thats nice. I guess!

ORIGINAL: Jose7822
Dude! You're driving me nuts with that Oprah crap .

Oprah would not approve of your choice of emoticon.


Ok... last one for me... for a while... But be warned: any "20-40%" reference from this point forward necessitates a retaliatory "Oprah" reference...

ORIGINAL: 7XL
Oprah

Uma.

ORIGINAL: musicman100



And according to the coders and devs over at the pig-pile that is the Cake forums right now,(bold mine) there are a bunch of core improvements to the audio handling, that it is more efficient now and has no effective limitations to size.

Well, as the maker of said comment, it was meant in jest. Pig-pile meaning that there are just an alarming amount of threads being started and buried. And, come on, that 6000 thread thing was a total pig-pile. There have been more members on these boards in the past week than probably ever. Hence pig-pile. And, you know, if you like piles of writhing bodies pig-piles can be good things.

ORIGINAL: harmony gardens

I'm glad that person doesn't frequent this forum. I think most people can just from the tone and what they said, the value of the comment.

As for what I think of this forum,,, Top Shelf.

Yeah, hate to break it to ya, but I check in here frequently.

Despite my low post count, I've been around here since the newsgroup days, so I think I'm allowed to make a few jokes at the expense of an online software forum.


Do, I think we Sonar users get a little clubby? Sure. And I like hearing how other people work which is why I prefer spending time on other forums. But, you know, go ahead and mock me. I've got a pretty thick skin and don't take too much too seriously.

And, come on, don't you see the irony in this?

Thanks for getting my back, Keith.

You have to know that you are extremely welcome here. Please don't get upset with a few unwarranted replies.

Im sorry, its all my fault.....
Cj

Who CARES What someone from a forum called "gear slutz" has to say....... they can't even spell sluts right.

Yea, gear is spelled geer. there so stupid
Cj

I'm gonna change my avatar to a pig..... snort snort snort

ORIGINAL: CJaysMusic

Im sorry, its all my fault.....
Cj

Though I'm a relative n00b on this forum, I think it's safe to say,

Actually, I think the Sonar forum has gone downhill. A year or so ago I thought it was the most useful music-production related forum out there

that the downfall of this forum correlates negatively to the enourmous rise in CJ's post count!!! I think the time is right for a good ole' medieval witch hunt !!!

Sven

ORIGINAL: Bob_631

I'm gonna change my avatar to a pig..... snort snort snort

wow , your new avatar looks identical to a pig. good work
Cj

And just where was your little smiley that is der rigeur for ironic/tounge in cheek comments?? ohhh boy was there a thread eons ago about smilies

And just WHO started the whole 6000 post thing anyway someum about a free book or software...nany nany,,,, you know "they" did ......
All is cool puffer, it sometimes can be a train wreck in this foum, why don' other forums like P5 crank some tractors like this forum ???

I enjoy "that other forum" and take the molesting posts with a grain of salt and a shot of Jack Daniels...
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Despite my low post count, I've been around here since the newsgroup days, so I think I'm allowed to make a few jokes at the expense of an online software forum.

me. I've got a pretty thick skin and don't take too much too seriously.

And, come on, don't you see the irony in this?

Personally, I've seen a lot of changes here over the past 3 years or so. And not all of them good. A lot of very knowledgeable and expert users left here because it changed for the worse, and their absence is felt by many. We used to have some amazing discussions that hit on the top-end of music production, the real inner workings. We don't get that so much any more.

Hey guys

First off I would rather have a train wreck of a forum than one that is like a police state (cubase bless em)

The thing i find really interesting about all this is that you can almost profile people based on the software they use. I love Sonar, really do, probably because after years of struggling to translate my creativity in Cubase I came to Sonar as a last ditch effort before giving it all up and taking up Macrame. I guess my fierce loyalty to it is through the sheer gratitude that came from the realization it was not me who was useless, it was that the software i had been using did not gel with me.

I don't think software is bad or good I think its about you work creatively and how you approach the world. I think that Sonar users (and the company Cakewalk, for that matter) are all optimists and positive creative people who have huge amounts of passion and enthusiasm about what they do, and that sometimes bubbles over into a bit of a mess in the forum, but i love it. What we have here for better or for worse is a community, yes there are some characters, CJ and Jinga please take a bow, but they add to the flavor of this forum and make it a fun place to come.

I mainly come here to help out others and to answer my own questions when i am stuck, and often when i am stuck i am stressed as in take a hammer to the computer stressed, and almost without fail by the time I have found the answer to my question a post or a comment somewhere has made me smile, and chilled me out.

Anyway back to the profiling I think other forums around all have their mix of profiles. Cubase is a mix of future Sonar users :) and some pretty harsh admins, Reaper, bless em are a sweet bunch and possibly even more in love with there software than we are, and GearSlutz are the world weary 'professionals', so we should not take there critisizm of Sonar to harshly becuase they are just scared that if they started using it, they would have nothing left to moan about :)

This is not meant at a poke at anyone, but I think its interesting that maybe we don't choose our software based on the features as in hard logical choice but because the features appeal to our musical characters.

Just a thought and probably not a clear one at that but its 3 in the morning.
G

Gordon, ware have you been???

gordonrussell76

Completely off topic, what kind of bass is that?

pig-pile that is the Cake forums right now

What a bunch of crap. These forums are great. One of the reasons I buy only Cake products whenever possible. They are well frequented by Cake employees and well moderated. I've even been banished a couple of times!

Great post Gordon.

I have been here awhile and for those that say things have change over time I say no they haven't. But ones need to be here may change over time.

Things are much the same as they have ever been. We see jerks come and go. We see newbies ask something get an answer and never post again. We have long term members that use this place for fun and games. We see long term members that try to educate us all and do a darn good job of it. We see long term members that still need some help or want to help. Many long term members do all of the above.

No not much has changed.

Hey CJ, Desperately trying to finish my bands album before I start a new contract which will leave me De Nada time otherwise :( Actually you can check out some rough mixes and hear for yourself how its progressing at http://www.myspace.com/thepyrofessional , let me know what you think feed back is always good, especially as I still have chance to fix things. the track Falling, definitely needs work i know that.

And now for the first ever smooth segue in a forum post, the bass used on that tune is the same as the one in my avatar which to answer 7Xl question is a Warwick 20th Anniversay 2002 Ltd Edition FNA Jazzman my one is #149/200. I love it.

G

ORIGINAL: Jose7822
Dude! You're driving me nuts with that Oprah crap .

Yes, the real problem with this forum is that people here really like to flog a dead horse as far as lame jokes go. Now it's Oprah, but the whole "20%-40% better" thing makes me cringe everytime I see someone still making that lame joke.

I've been gone from this forum for the last couple of years, and when I came back I could not believe that people were still making that joke! And then they always put smileys afterwards as if to remind us that it's supposed to be funny! It wasn't funny EVER! I digress...

I could give 2 $hits what others think. I only care what i think.
Cj

ORIGINAL: CJaysMusic

I could give 2 $hits what others think. I only care what i think.
Cj

I said the same thing except I used some different words.

I do need to edit that, because its not entirely true. Theres a few members that i care of what they think of me (jinga is one of them)

Cj

I really like it here

Being new to this forum, I'm just wandering around reading this and that, I'm getting use to where things are, although I'm still trying to find where the lavatory is (Busting to go), but other than that everything else appears in to be in order

I have found that most of the time if you are decent to others others are likely to be decent to you. This is true in life and it is very true on this board.

It is also true that discord and stridency are likely to get one discordant articulations from others. Sometimes a little discord is a good thing if in the end we learn something new.

the pig-pile that is the Cake forums right now,(bold mine)

What is pig-pile supposed to mean?