very simple question about pitching audio clips

Yes, i'ts a very simple question. But it's so simple that a lot of the bigger DAW's dont't have this ability.
What i want to do is the ability to pitch a audio clip up and down. I know this is of course simple to do with the "groove clips". But i want to be able to change the pitch of a audio clip without all this timestretching stuff... That is, i want to pitch the sample without time correction, when i pitch it down, i want the clip to get longer, and so forth...
And i want to do this on line, non-destructively... like you can do in Sony Acid, whith "one shot" audio samples...
Of course i could put the sample into a sampler of choise, and yes, thats what I do today, with Kontakt and Cubase as host.. But it would be super nice if you could to this in Sonar directly...


cheers
/oscar, from sweden

Use the Sonar Pitch/time effect. It uses a very high quality Mpex pitch correction algorhythm. It's located under the cakewalk effects menu on version 5 anyways. I assume it's still included. P.S. you can change pitch without changing time and visa versa. I use it all the time to fix my missed bass notes and change Tom pitches etc.

ORIGINAL: Rbh

Use the Sonar Pitch/time effect. It uses a very high quality Mpex pitch correction algorhythm. It's located under the cakewalk effects menu on version 5 anyways. I assume it's still included. P.S. you can change pitch without changing time and visa versa. I use it all the time to fix my missed bass notes and change Tom pitches etc.

+1. The Cakewalk "time/pitch stretch" program works really well for this sort of thing, as long as you're not expecting it to do really radical changes and still sound "real". I, too, am using Sonar PE 5.2, so I don't know if the same program exists in Sonar 6 or 7.

Best regards,
Bill

It still exists...

I have a gospel group that sings with tracks....

The want an entire song dropped down a half step...A to Aflat

Should I use pitchcorrector or transpose, v-vocal.......or other??

Thanks,
Jeff

ORIGINAL: downsouthstudio

I have a gospel group that sings with tracks....

The want an entire song dropped down a half step...A to Aflat

Should I use pitchcorrector or transpose, v-vocal.......or other??

Thanks,
Jeff

Jeff, in my experience, a half step is about the limit that V-vocal can achieve without sounding unnatural.

How many separate tracks/voices are you talking about?

I know several people on this forum have complained about V-vocal falling over when asked to do too much, but I'm one of the lucky ones who's managed over 80 VV clips on a song with no rendering or freezing and my pc just carried on as normal!

Good luck.

Jonesey

The suggested solutions are destructive, while it seems to me the OP is asking for non destructive - and I'm interested too.

Is there a non destructive way to pitch audio clips other than groove clips?

Thanks,
Mario

ORIGINAL: mabian

The suggested solutions are destructive, while it seems to me the OP is asking for non destructive - and I'm interested too.

Is there a non destructive way to pitch audio clips other than groove clips?

Thanks,
Mario

V-vocal is not destructive in that if you don't like the result, you can remove it from the effected track (it actually works on a muted copy of the original), leaving the original untouched.

But it's really only useful for monophonic sources, such as vocals, bass guitar etc, and as I stated above, anything shifted by more than about a semitone starts to sound munchkin like, even with the formant filter doing it's thing.

Wave's SoundShifter plug-in. It works in real time and gives very good quality.

I just now changed a CD stereo track from A-flat to G with great quality. Using SONAR 7

I imported the CD track into a project template at 24/88.2
Went to edit/transpose and selected -1 (dont forget to check audio AND polyphonic)
Exported to .WAV 16/44.1 with NO dithering.
And burned a new CD using CD Archetect

Works perfectly !! No artifacts whatsoever.

Jeff

I think most replies are missing the point of the OP. He wants something I've wanted as well, and that's a simulation of old school samplers. Press a note on your keyboard, get the original sample. Press a key an octave lower, and get the sample an octave lower at half-speed, aliasing artifacts and all. Simple & dirty. This is useful as a munging effect (sort of like bit decimation, but totally different :) Pitch correction, beat slicing, transposition, and time stretching are all well and good, but not what he's after.

Perhaps one of the included VSTs does this, and I haven't dug around enough to figure it out.

I guess I didn't read the original post as wishing to actually do one shot sampling. As far as non destructive...clone / archive the original track before doing anything. If one shot sampling is what you want think you may have to use something like a straight up sampler.There are a few free ones floating around on kvraudio.com. If it's simple high quality pitch transpose, then Mpex does a fine job....though I've never used it for any clip longer than a second or two in length.