Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters

Hi Guys,

With the Crystal soft synth I can create track envelopes for all kinds of synth parameters (filters, pulse width, mogrify etc etc), to modify the sound of the synth as the track plays (this is a very common technique in the sort of music I am trying to write, so I'm really keen on it!!).

I use Right-Click -> Envelopes -> Create Track Envelope -> Crystal 1 ... and then I get the list of parameters (as check boxes) that I can choose to automate with the envelope.

HOWEVER.... there are no such options when I do the equivalent for Cakewalk TTS, or Triangle II (another great free soft synth from Cakewalk). I just get an empty box. These synths have loads of parameters in their consoles (well, Triangle II does), so surely there must be a way to automate them, right? What am I doing wrong please?

Thanks!
Peter

I have never seen any one else mentioning envelopes inside of tts or triangle here. I think it would be a great idea, it would make the soft synth world much more usefull. Maybe you might try the Techniques forum, go to "all forums" at the top of the page here, and then the Techniques forum is listed there. Maybe some one else here can help more, but that would be my only suggestion.
Later
Albert

Yes, I mean Triangle II.
I'll double check when I get home from work this evening. You should see oscillators, filters, all the fun stuff.
I'll get back to you.

It depends entirerly upon the softsynth as to which parameters are automatable. I just checked and there are no extra automatable parameters available for TTS-1. I don't have crystal, but I do have PSYN II which is a modelled synth and there are many parameters avaiable to automate on PSYN II such as OSC 1-4 phase, wavelength, transpose, fine tune, LFO, and many, many more.

if the creator of the softsynth didn't create automatable parameters for that softsynth, then you can't access them.

I think you can automate some of the parameters of TTS...although I have not used this I think this is how you would proceed.....

Insert a new midi track and right click in it and select create track envelopes.... then you can select midi (envelope) and you should be able to choose from a list of items..... link them to TTS and see what happens.

that's exactly what I was talking about. Triangle II and TTS-1 both have blanks available just like Greg has shown because there are no automatable parameters for those synths. Crystal probably does have automatable parameters and that's what the OP is seeing. PSYN II also has several automatable parameters.

Greg,

If that is so, then I think that should work. If you assign a midi CC to a "knob" then I believe you can control it in the Piano Roll... Just wondering... will that also allow you to assign an envelope to it as well ?


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Robert, I'm using Windows Vista Home Premium (32 bit). Yes, I use a MIDI controller, the M-Audio Oxygen 61. Yes, Triangle II responds to a small number of the knobs / sliders on my controller (some filters, vloume, some chorus setting... seems like a random selection and 90% of the controls have no effect on it).

My problem is shown precisely in Greg's post #10.

I've never heard of midi CC values before (I've been using MC4 for a long time now but still feel like I've only learned about 10% of it!!). I'm going to try it tonight and see if I can automate using MIDI envelopes as Beagle suggested.

Thanks so much for all the help everyone, this place gives the best tech support I've ever experienced!!!

Robert - is that Sonar 8? maybe they updated the parameters between Sonar 6/ MC4 (MC4 is based on sonar 6 and Sonar 6 is what I have) and sonar 8?

hmmm - that's really odd that Greg's doesn't have those parameters but yours does! Greg - I'm assuming you're photos are of SHS6XL as well?

Sonar 6 didn't have Triangle, so i don't have it to check directly. something really odd going on for certain!

Greg, are you running XP or Vista?
TII is an older DXi synth, and I wonder if this might be an underlying code issue with Vista.
Anybody else running XP that might want to check this out?

XP. I tried it in MC Pro 24, too, and didn't even get the Triangle II to appear in the envelopes dialog box like in SHS 6. Just the usual envelope choices.

I don't know what the difference is. Bob did you download Triangle or did you get it on a disk with SHS or Sonar?

I just downloaded it and I get nothing for parameters to automate. I'm using Sonar 6PE, WinXP

I don't know what the difference is then. very puzzling.

good question. the download version is DXi.