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3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
Realroach over at MOTUNATION.COM found these drivers at a company that supplies high end digital camera gear. You'll note that this industry, along with ours are affected by this programming snafu by Microsoft when they "updated' the drivers to sp2 http://shop.avt-cameras.com/produktpage.html?t=produkt&o=805&a=select&r=shopavt 32 and 64 bit XP sp2 sp3, Vista. The are free, and support multi processor systems, which gets may past the hurdle of the rollback to sp1 drivers Also you can toggle between this driver and the windows version I've installed them and daisy chained my 896hd with my 8pre. Preliminary results look good. Units locked immediately. Some initial recording with all 16 channels looks good. I'll be pushing it more in the next few days. Easy install but it's recommended that one uninstall the MOTU drivers first. See a better step by step at MOTUNATION.COM, Windows section
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/01 14:36:19
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Hi Mark,
After reading this excerpt from the documentation, it sounds like the 64Bit driver is proprietary:
"The AVT 1394BusDriver Package contains an alternative 1394 bus driver that is compliant to the native OHCI 1394 bus driver provided with Microsoft Windows. This means, unlike other proprietary 1394 bus drivers as for instance provided with the AVT FirePackage that are incompatible to the one provide with Microsoft Windows, existing custom 1394 device drivers (e.g. for hard disks) will continue to work."
The 32Bit version (which is available as a separate download) works very well.
I've tested using Sonar 8.31 (playing "Guilty" at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size - from the Sonar 8 content DVD)... as well as playing soft-synths live at a 64-sample buffer size using Brainspawn's Forte'.
Totally glitch-free in both cases.
One really nice thing about this driver is that the Firewire controller defaults to a PCI latency setting of 64. That's perfect...
So far, this looks to be a great find!
Thanks for pointing it out.
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/01 15:54:57
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I guess I missed the part about the 64bit being proprietary because I was looking 32 bit. Happy to hear your results are good. And glad I could give back after month of relying on your expertise with my questions. (And also thanks are in order to RealRoach over at MOTUNATION, who pointed them out to us there) now all I have to do is get the asio drivers to load with the 3.6.7.4 Motu driver
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The Maillard Reaction
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/02 09:41:15
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so you are talking about the actual OS drivers? Not the Motu device drivers?
Stuff like 1394.sys?
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mark s
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/02 10:18:44
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Mike, yes. These are not the MOTU drivers but the Windows firewire driver. These don't delete the windows version but install along side them. A simple matter to toggle back and forth between them. There's a pdf describing installation and use at the link I posted above
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/02 10:23:48
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wow! thanks for the heads up.
I'm not enthusiastic about messing with my working system but I sure want to learn about this.
Thanks very much.
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/03 06:37:08
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Mark:
This is very interesting. Thanks for finding this.
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/03 07:24:18
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Wow, great find. Hope this allows me to do something that was disabled in the normal Windows api - and works on a Mac, like it should, grrr....
I'm a perfectionist, and perfect is a skinned knee.
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/03 08:37:38
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ORIGINAL: mark s
Easy install but it's recommended that one uninstall the MOTU drivers first. See a better step by step at MOTUNATION.COM, Windows section
I found the thread discussing this process at MOTUNATION.COM. Login is required the thread is named " Third Party 1394 bus controller drivers for XP and Vista" Hope this helps someone. I have a custom Studiocat from Jim running under SP3. I'm not sure if I want to go this next step yet. I have not been pushing the limit yet. I'm currently running two 896's with no problems. This is most certainly a great find.
post edited by Psalmist35 - 2009/04/03 08:42:09
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/03 08:54:23
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If it somehow allowed me to go to firewire daisy chain with 16 I/O 24/96 capability and actually realize the specification that my 2 896HDs were supposed to provide I would be happier than I can imagine.
The trick is how to plan an experimental migration.
I went to the site linked in the OP and was immediately confronted with reading that was over my head :-)
I'm eager to hear of other peoples attempts to try this.
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2009/04/03 11:10:02
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Mike,
You and I have essentially the same setup. From what I read the driver parallels the microsoft driver and does NOT replace it. I believe you manually have to toggle between the two drivers. I infered from Jim's comment and what I read on the site that there appears to be some increased bantwidth with this driver. If this is the case I'm might give this a try this evening 4/3/09. I'll keep you posted.
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/03 12:13:42
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I'm trying it tonight too...I'll post results although I'm using a Mackie onyx satellite. Latency is low at 96K as long as i keep tracks under 20 without midi as-is.
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2009/04/03 16:00:28
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Mike,
You and I have essentially the same setup. From what I read the driver parallels the microsoft driver and does NOT replace it. I believe you manually have to toggle between the two drivers. I infered from Jim's comment and what I read on the site that there appears to be some increased bantwidth with this driver. If this is the case I'm might give this a try this evening 4/3/09. I'll keep you posted.
Rich
Exactly. Installation of the is fairly simple. It may be a complication to uninstall the motu driver first, but that's what I did. It helped that I had a recent restore point from all the work I'd been going through trying to do the sp1 rollback. In the thread over at motunation Realroach gives a pretty good step by step that I followed. The driver itself installed in less than 5 minute. The desktop app allows you to toggle back and forth between the Windows version and the AVI version. Still, the results were immediate. For the first time I feel happy knowing these things can work together. I hope this works for other too!
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/03 19:00:19
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Mike, I just finished installing the "AVT 1394 Bus Driver Package" on my Studiocat Machine. Be at peace! It's working fine. Mark is correct, the driver installs alonside of the Microsoft driver. You are able to select (toggle) which one you want to use. I uninstalled the MOUT 3.6.7.3 driver first, installed the AVT driver, installed the MOTU 3.6.7.4 driver I downloaded from your site (Thank you very much)  turned on my 896HD first then my 896 and they synced just like before. Sonar opened up and never knew the difference. WOW! The whole process, including creating a restore point, took 15 min tops. HTH, Rich
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/03 20:18:09
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That's great news.
Does this mean it's possible to daisy chain at 24/96?
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/03 21:29:21
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I don't see why not Mike. I've done 16 ch @ 88.2KHz before this driver. I don't see why anything would be any different. Would you like for me to run a test for you? If so, what and how. Rich edit: typos
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/03 22:09:48
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I never got a fire wire daisy chain to work. I've been using 16 I/O with the ADAT connection and so I'm stuck at 16/44.
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/04 08:33:45
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Mike,
I remember the issues you were and are continuing to have. What I don't remember is if you were running Windows XP or Vista. I ran into the same problems you were having when and friend of mine and I were going to record a live session on his laptop. Unfortunately, his lappy was running Vista. Needless to say we did could NOT record the session. You should give it a try. I've had success here daisy chaining.
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/04 12:38:57
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Mike: like you I was DOA doing 16 channels @ 96/24. I'm hooking it to an 8pre and I never could get a daisy chain sync. With theses drivers it has been rock solid.
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/05 20:50:29
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/05 21:29:38
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Great!!! Thanks.
I'm not using my laptop much any more. I'm using a DAW that Jim Roseberry built me last August.
XP SP2 3.2gHz 9450 4GB Ram.
I never tried it with a daisy chain. I'd love to break thru that barrier.
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/06 07:46:25
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Great!!! Thanks.
I'm not using my laptop much any more. I'm using a DAW that Jim Roseberry built me last August.
XP SP2 3.2gHz 9450 4GB Ram.
I never tried it with a daisy chain. I'd love to break thru that barrier.
best regards,
mike
Mike, Jim built my system in May or June of last year 2008, I don't specifically remember. Your system may already be working. However, I did specifically ask Jim to do the Firewire rollback because I was running two 896's (daisychain). It worked right out of the box. You should try the daisychain on your Studiocat. Rich
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/06 09:04:12
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"I did specifically ask Jim to do the Firewire rollback "
That's funny... so did I. :-)
I've gotta schedule this in for an experiment day.
Great news!
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/06 12:26:42
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Hmm I wonder if these firewire drivers might help resolve issues with the presnus users
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/06 13:47:08
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is the only benefit of these drivers, for those who are trying to daisychain? Could I possibly have some sort of improvement by using the drivers, too? I just have the one MOTU 828 MkII, Dell Inspiron 9400 laptop, Ricoh FW chipset...
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/06 14:00:34
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Hmm I wonder if these firewire drivers might help resolve issues with the presnus users
the sync issue is with firewire users trying to daisy chain their units and is not limited to MOTU users. The rollback to sp1 drivers was something RME poste, for example. The process is simple and quick enough to try too
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2009/04/06 14:05:25
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is the only benefit of these drivers, for those who are trying to daisychain? Could I possibly have some sort of improvement by using the drivers, too? I just have the one MOTU 828 MkII, Dell Inspiron 9400 laptop, Ricoh FW chipset...
Dave
without knowing your problem, MOTU recommends using TI or Agere chipsets. It's a pretty cheap fix to try. I think I've seen cards with TI chips for about $30. Having said that, the new drivers are free,...
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/06 15:40:10
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Hmm I wonder if these firewire drivers might help resolve issues with the presnus users
I tried it with the FireStudio 26x26 but it didn't work. No audio. The blue sync light on the FS came on meaning that it was connected and device manager showed the FS connected to the TI firewire card but yet no sound.
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RE: 3rd party firewire drivers MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS take note!
2009/04/06 15:51:48
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is the only benefit of these drivers, for those who are trying to daisychain? Could I possibly have some sort of improvement by using the drivers, too? I just have the one MOTU 828 MkII, Dell Inspiron 9400 laptop, Ricoh FW chipset...
Dave
without knowing your problem, MOTU recommends using TI or Agere chipsets. It's a pretty cheap fix to try. I think I've seen cards with TI chips for about $30.
Having said that, the new drivers are free,...
No major problems, really... Not even my question, either... I'm just trying to wrap my head around the purpose and new hype around these drivers... From the thread subject line even it says "MOTU MULTIPLE UNIT USERS". I have only one Motu 828 MkII. Should I bother to install and use this 3rd party driver? Dave
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