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GROUP BUY - 50% OFF + FREE GIFT - ALL Orange Tree Samples for Kontakt. FINAL DAY!!!
Since last year's group buy was such as success, we at Orange Tree Samples have decided to have another sale this year, but this year, we also have our biggest product introduction to date -- it's called Evolution Electric Guitar – Strawberry, and it's the first guitar in our exciting and innovative new series of full featured, ultra-realistic guitar libraries for KONTAKT. The group buy discount will apply to all Orange Tree Samples sample libraries, including the upcoming Evolution Electric Guitar - Strawberry, which will be released on May 31st at the end of the group buy. Here's more about Evolution Electric Guitar - Strawberry: Evolution Electric Guitar - Strawberry is an innovative new electric guitar sample library that provides what we are confident is the most advanced and realistic sounding sampled guitar library available. This sample library for KONTAKT is the result of a combination of state of the art sampling, physical modeling principles and highly advanced and proprietary scripting. The powerful lead guitar engine features extensive articulations and utilizes Orange Tree Samples' proprietary Mind Control (TM) technology to enable you to easily customize the library's mapping. The rhythm guitar strumming engine lets you create highly authentic rhythm guitar parts with unlimited chord options -- from power chords, to triads, to 7ths, 9ths, 11ths, diminished, sus4,"Hendrix chords," you name it -- with ease. It was developed using specially-recorded strum samples -- a key factor for creating authentic strummed chords on the fly that keeps many guitar sample libraries from sounding authentic. The strumming engine will help give your tracks unparalleled realism and eliminate the need for having to tediously hand code or edit midi in order to achieve realistic sounding strums. Popular studio techniques like double tracking are performed with the touch of a button. Just like a real guitar, you can detune or capo Evolution Electric Guitar - Strawberry, a feature that was previously unheard of in sampled guitar. Evolution Electric Guitar - Strawberry was recorded dry so that you can choose your favorite amp simulation and effects to attain just the right sound, from pop to rock to metal to blues to funk to R&B to hip hop to jazz. It will be available May 31, 2010 at a list price of $199 USD, but as part of this GROUP BUY you can get it for as little as $99.95 USD. Special upgrade pricing for Strawberry Electric Guitar users is available and -- I'm sure you'll appreciate this, Strawberry users -- we're going to let the upgrade pricing be discounted in the group buy too! The old Strawberry and Strawberry Extended libraries are discontinued, replaced by the new Evolution Electric/Acoustic Guitar product line. Evolution Electric Guitar – Strawberry includes all the content from Strawberry Extended Electric Guitar, and adds a rhythm guitar component with 1 GB of new samples, plus an improved lead guitar interface. Video demo: Soft Guitar Audio demos: Scarlet Queen Slithery Tattoo Funkulous Evolution Funk Current participants: 274 Discount levels (current level is highlighted in GREEN): 1 - 24 buyers: 10% OFF 25 - 49 buyers: 15% OFF 50 - 99 buyers: 20% OFF 100 - 149 buyers: 30% OFF 150 - 199 buyers: 40% OFF 200 or more buyers: 50% OFF Sign up for the group buy here Once you log in, select the product(s) you would like, and we'll email you at the end of the group buy (you complete your purchase after the opportunity to join the group buy has ended on May 30th, 2010 at 11:59 PM GMT). Thanks for your support! To keep things fun, we will award some prizes at the end of the group buy as well. - MVP for most entertaining post from a GB member - $15 USD gift certificate. That's right....whoever entertains us the most will be rewarded. - MVP for most helpful GB member - $25 USD gift certificate. Like to help others? We like it and we're going to give you something back for your efforts. - MVP for GB member best at getting the word out - $25 USD gift certificate. It's fun to spread the word about group buys for products you love. In addition, everyone gets a bigger discount when more people join in. But we're also going to give the GB member who has done the most something in return. - MVP for impressive user demos of OTS libraries - $100 USD gift certificate and additional honorable mention gift certificates. In the end, it's all about the music. We want to hear yours. All gift certificates are good for non-group buy purchases of any Orange Tree Samples libraries. Winners will be chosen based on feedback of others in the thread (MVP nominations are encouraged!) and Orange Tree Samples judging panel (we can't reveal any of the judges' names due to fear of reprisals!).
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/17 15:20:30
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Thank you so much, Luke!! I'm listening to your music right now--I really like "The Journey Begins". It has a really cool dynamic and tone that both sounds reminiscent of older 80's/90's sci-fi music and modern soundtracks as well. Great job! Judging by last year's group buy it should be pretty easy to hit the 50% OFF tier and beyond, but I'll need all the help I can get spreading the word about this sale.
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
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Awesome, I love 50% off Thanks for checking out my tunes, Greg. I wrote "The Journey Begins" back in 2007 and I'm looking to revise it once I get new orchestral software. My wife says that it's a masterpiece, however, I'm much more critical than that and believe it needs work still, lol  . The other two tunes "Starless Night" and "Into the Darkness", I wrote those within the past month. The guitars in them are from stock Kontakt 4 routed through Guitar Rig 4 Pro. I'm looking to swap them out, of course, with something better! EDIT: I'll help spread the word wherever I can.
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/17 16:43:14
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Dreambliss Awesome, I love 50% off Thanks for checking out my tunes, Greg. I wrote "The Journey Begins" back in 2007 and I'm looking to revise it once I get new orchestral software. My wife says that it's a masterpiece, however, I'm much more critical than that and believe it needs work still, lol . The other two tunes "Starless Night" and "Into the Darkness", I wrote those within the past month. The guitars in them are from stock Kontakt 4 routed through Guitar Rig 4 Pro. I'm looking to swap them out, of course, with something better! EDIT: I'll help spread the word wherever I can. = Luke, So, you have a wife that loves your music? That is priceless. Of course, I have no further comment on my own situation. Okay, I'll comment. Over more than a decade, and showing my wife around fifty songs (out of several hundred), I've had a few songs she loves, several she likes, but she's a pretty tough critic. I've heard a lot of, "That's just not my taste." Or, "It's too progressive (or complex); I'd like it if it were simpler." Consequently, now that I've written a bunch of simple songs to entertain my kids, and I think my wife likes those the best of any of my original songs. I clearly didn't meet her at one of my gigs back when I was actively playing colleges, clubs, fests, etc.! I married a music critic!!! :) - eDrummist
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/17 17:37:18
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It's nice when your wife likes your music (or at least understands why you spend so much time and money on it!). It makes home life a bit easier. Greg, I've heard some great things about this guitar library from edrummist, and I'm looking forward to it--specifically the "strum" feature. I think that's what many of the (otherwise great) guitar libraries are missing these days. Thanks for the offer!
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/17 23:40:23
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Thanks so much for the compliment! Only 38 more until we hit the next tier--30% off!
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/18 01:36:55
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I wanted to share an example of what one of the lead patches in Evolution Electric Guitar - Strawberry sounds like, played just from a 2-octave MIDI keyboard: http://www.orangetreesamp...udio/EvolutionLive.mp3 This was played entirely live, with no editing afterwards.
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/18 12:10:43
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All of Greg's stuff at OrangeTree is simply fabulous. And at 50% off IT IS A STEAL!! PS: The new Evolution sounds tres cool.
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/18 15:14:33
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Sigh, I'm in. I'm in the market for a nice guitar library, and the price seems to be reasonable.
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/18 20:20:17
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For anyone who didn't catch my thread about Evolution Electric Guitar - Strawberry from last week, I had put up demos of Evolution's predecessor library, Strawberry Extended, which, I suppose you could say, was the library Evolution Electric Guitar - Strawberry evolved from. The samples used in these demos are still part of Evolution, along with, I think, more than 1 GB additional samples, new functionality and chord strumming. Still, I find Strawberry Extended, as it was (now to be replaced by Evolution which does everything Strawberry Extended does and a lot more), an incredibly good library. We had a discussion in the earlier thread about how demos, unsurprisingly, always present sample libraries and VSTs in the best light, but upon a very critical listen, often also reveal a library or VSTs weaknesses. With that in mind, what I find so impressive about the below demos -- besides some very good playing -- is the depth of articulations, smooth transitions, "dirt" and range of dynamics -- two things a demo producer cannot fake, no matter how talented. It's either their in the samples or it's not (although, in the case of Strawberry, it's there in the Kontakt scripting too, however, it's impossible to tell that from a demo, as all a demo artist needs to do is creative midi editing). I think all one needs to do is to listen to the "Elusive Blues" demo to get an understanding of the depth of this library. http://www.orangetreesamples.com/audio/ElusiveBlues.mp3 http://www.orangetreesamples.com/audio/Orangeholic.mp3 http://www.orangetreesamples.com/audio/JaniesSong.mp3 http://www.orangetreesamples.com/audio/SoloGuitar.mp3
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/19 11:45:43
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The Group Buy has now hit 75 people. 25 more people and it's reached the next discount level, 30% off.
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/19 18:46:21
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We're now nearing the next tier of the group buy, where the discount will soon be 30%. To keep things fun, we'd like to announce some group buy awards. - MVP for most entertaining post from a GB member - $15 USD gift certificate. That's right....whoever entertains us the most will be rewarded. - MVP for most helpful GB member - $25 USD gift certificate. Like to help others? We like it and we're going to give you something back for your efforts. - MVP for GB member best at getting the word out - $25 USD gift certificate. It's fun to spread the word about group buys for products you love. In addition, everyone gets a bigger discount when more people join in. But we're also going to give the GB member who has done the most something in return. - MVP for impressive user demos of OTS libraries - $100 USD gift certificate and additional honorable mention gift certificates. In the end, it's all about the music. We want to hear yours. All gift certificates are good for non-group buy purchases of any Orange Tree Samples libraries. Winners will be chosen based on feedback of others in the thread (MVP nominations are encouraged!) and Orange Tree Samples judging panel (we can't reveal any of the judges' names due to fear of reprisals!).
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/22 20:30:16
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One 1 more person needed until everyone gets a 30% OFF discount on their group buy order!
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/23 11:23:20
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The Group Buy is now at the 30% discount level with 103 members. Evolution Electric Guitar is now going for $139.97. I posted this demo on the KVR thread, it's a customer submitted demo featuring Orange Tree Samples' Cherry Bass: http://www.orangetreesamples.com/audio/WorldBassStar2009/Landscape_Sunrise.mp3 The songs is called "Landscape Sunrise." It's from Peter Hudson, a classical and jazz guitarist out Toronto, Canada. The group buy puts the fingered version of Orange Tree Samples' Cherry Bass at $34.97 USD.
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/24 10:11:17
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The winning entry from Orange Tree Samples' "World Bass Star" contest from last year was a song from Peter Andersson of Stockholm, Sweden. His song features Cherry Bass, Cherry Picked Bass and Strawberry Electric Guitar (the predecessor of Evolution, which uses the same guitar). http://www.orangetreesamp...r2009/Cherry_Choke.mp3 Peter's one man band is called "For Pete's Sake." Since the contest, I've gotten to know more of Peter's music (and also become friends) and find him to be a very talented musician, songwriter and vocalist. I really love his song "So" from his MySpace page. http://www.myspace.com/pekadan
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/24 19:13:05
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Here is an overview of all the products on sale in this Group Buy: Evolution Electric Guitar - Strawberry List price: $199 USD. Current Group Buy price: $139 - SAVE $60! Evolution Electric Guitar - Strawberry takes the original Strawberry sample library and makes significant improvements to the lead guitar engine, including an upgraded layer system that is simpler and more powerful than ever, as well as including all the new articulations added in the extended version of Strawberry. We've also improved the string/fret selection technology and added several new controls using our exclusive Mind Control (TM) technology. Even more, Evolution Electric Guitar - Strawberry includes a feature that many of you have been asking for -- a chord strumming engine along with more than 1 GB of specially-recorded strum samples. Click here for more information. Audio Demo #1: Scarlet Queen Audio Demo #2: Slithery Tattoo Iconic Bass: Jaco List price: $129.95 USD. Current Group Buy price: $91 - SAVE $38.95! Iconic Bass: Jaco is an ultra realistic fretless bass sample library for KONTAKT, featuring Orange Tree Samples' proprietary fretless slide engine, which gives you the ability to slide from one note to any other with incredible realism. It also includes three velocity layers and 2x round-robin samples, all with three plucking positions. Click here for more information. Audio Demo #1: Jaco Rocks Audio Demo #2: Ruff Riff CoreBass Pear List price: $64.95 USD. Current Group Buy price: $45 - SAVE $19.95! CoreBass Pear, like Iconic Bass: Jaco, includes Orange Tree Samples' exclusive fretless slide engine for amazingly realistic slides between any notes at any given speed. Recorded with both DI and mic signals, CoreBass Pear allows you to create your own tone mixes or select from included presets. Click here for more information. Audio Demo #1: Funky Upright Audio Demo #2: Jazz Quintet CoreBass Cherry List price: $49.95 USD. Current Group Buy price: $35 - SAVE $14.95! CoreBass Cherry is a favorite among TV/film composers and hobbiests alike. It's an instantly playable, dependable bass library, with a usable tone that easily fits into the mix. CoreBass Cherry has 4x round-robin alternating samples for realistic repeating notes, and automatic legato articulations such as slides, hammer-ons, and pull-offs. Click here for more information. Audio Demo #1: Groove 1 Audio Demo #2: Groove 2 CoreBass Cherry Picked List price: $64.95 USD. Current Group Buy price: $45 - SAVE $19.95! The picked edition of the CoreBass Cherry series, CoreBass Cherry Picked boasts 8x round-robin alternating samples, recorded with both downstroke and upstroke pick directions -- either automatic or manually controllable. Like its fingered and slapped counterparts, CoreBass Cherry Picked includes intelligent legato articulations as well as the ability to slide between notes at any speed. Click here for more information. Audio Demo #1: Gospel Demo Audio Demo #2: Pop Demo CoreBass Cherry Slapped List price: $64.95 USD. Current Group Buy price: $45 - SAVE $19.95! The slapped edition of the CoreBass Cherry series simplifies the task of performing or sequencing realistic slap bass tracks once and for all. By physically modeling the position of the virtual bassist's thumb and forefingers as well as considering the context of the notes you play, CoreBass Cherry Slapped intelligently switches between slap and pop articulations just like a real bassist does. It also features 8x round-robin alternating samples, automatic legato articulations, as well as special effects such as slides and muted notes. Click here for more information. Audio Demo #1: Groove 1 Audio Demo #2: Groove 2 Grand Kalimba List price: $39.95 USD. Current Group Buy price: $28 - SAVE $11.95! Grand Kalimba features over 2,000 kalimba samples, powered by an extensive KONTAKT script which gives you complete control over the tone and playability of the library. This chromatically-sampled kalimba sample library has 8x round-robin samples and 3 velocity layers. It also includes the sounds of the tines being muted, including buzzing mute sounds which adds the human element to your kalimba track. Using Grand Kalimba's interface, you can switch between a traditional keyboard and kalimba mapping layout as well as detune and pan individual tines. You can also double the tines with a single button. Click here for more information. Audio Demo #1: Cloud Crystals Audio Demo #2: Enchante
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/24 23:14:35
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If I had more money to spare, I certainly would pick up some of these additional products. They sound fantastic!
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/25 13:57:11
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The group buy is now seven (7) people away from hitting 150 buyers, where the discount increases to 40%.
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/25 18:27:13
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We just hit 150, putting the discount at 40% OFF! All we need is 50 more people to join within the next 5 days (not counting the rest of today), so everybody will get 50% OFF all Orange Tree Samples sample libraries.
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/25 18:51:29
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I hope we have a last minute rally and get the 50 % off. I am in a quandary.. I am a cheap bastrich (LOL) so I want the 50 percent off bBut you seem to be a real nice guy who puts lots of hard work into your products and your not deceptive like some other vendors on this and other sites, plus you have a nice quality product!! So if by some chance it stays at 40 off I still will purchase the Evolution for its rhythm guitar potential.As I stated earlier somewhere I have he Musiclabs RG and RS, Rob Papens RG, and the steinberg VG (can you tell im a frustrated guitar player stuck in a keyboard players body? Thanks Greg for being a regular guy with a good product who although my shekels payment for your product wont pay ur rent this month, lets you know we appreciate you
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/25 19:50:15
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But you seem to be a real nice guy who puts lots of hard work into your products and your not deceptive like some other vendors on this and other sites, plus you have a nice quality product!! Thanks Greg for being a regular guy with a good product who although my shekels payment for your product wont pay ur rent this month, lets you know we appreciate you I also think Greg's a pretty good guy and that this product is worth it, even at 40% off. He's trying to get a really good product out in the middle of an already crowded field, and I hope he succeeds! Would it be easier for us to justify that extra 10% discount to our spouses? Of course! Will that extra 10% discount make the library sound any better? Of course not! How could it? Have you heard those demos?!?
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/25 19:56:19
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Just to confirm two things, Greg: 1. The group buy actually ends Sunday, May 30 at 11:59AM (one minute before noon), right? There are 31 days in May, and I wanted to be sure people don't think they have until midnight on the "last day in May". 2. There are no samples in this library from left-handed guitars, hm? That's too bad.
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/25 20:33:49
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planetearth Just to confirm two things, Greg: 1. The group buy actually ends Sunday, May 30 at 11:59AM (one minute before noon), right? There are 31 days in May, and I wanted to be sure people don't think they have until midnight on the "last day in May". The time zone listed is GMT. So if you are in Central Time (GMT -6), like me, this is actually 5:59 AM.
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/25 20:39:15
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The time zone listed is GMT. So if you are in Central Time (GMT -6), like me, this is actually 5:59 AM. Yikes! I don't know how many musician-type people will be up that early...unless they're still up from the night before! I, for one, only see one 6:00 each day.
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/25 20:43:30
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Well if its GMT or Sidereal time doesnt matter.. he "may" not make the 50 percent off mark but as I stated earlier, Ill pull the trigger at 40 off In a sense,its a "boutique" library in that he doesn't have teh marketing of the "big boys" he relies on forums like this AKA as grass roots effort. SURE I would like to see Greg have the same response as the IK MM 6 for 1 gb BUT i WILL support him and buy his product because it sounds very very good he is doing it all by himself(I think I am, without getting PC or nationalistic, supporting a home town guy
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/25 21:28:14
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planetearth Just to confirm two things, Greg: 1. The group buy actually ends Sunday, May 30 at 11:59AM (one minute before noon), right? There are 31 days in May, and I wanted to be sure people don't think they have until midnight on the "last day in May". 2. There are no samples in this library from left-handed guitars, hm? That's too bad. 1. Oops, looks like you caught my mistake! I meant "PM", not "AM" of course. But I guess not too many people will be complaining about the extra 12 hours to get the GB past 200 for the 50% OFF discount (which I'm confident it will reach). 2. You know, the funny thing is that I AM left-handed, but I prefer playing on right-handed guitars and basses because I like my dominant left hand to be doing all the fretting work. :)
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/27 10:53:02
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The Group Buy is now at 181 participants. Based on how the final days of Group Buys tend to be where you see a lot more people joining, I think it's very likely that this will hit the highest discount level (200 or more participants = 50% off) either today or tomorrow.
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/27 21:04:22
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I know that this might be being overshadowed by the IK group buy...but that's hit it's target. Please listen to the demos and, more importantly, WATCH the video demo of the scripting/strumming. It is flat out amazing. This is one incredible deal. Don't miss it.
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Re:Orange Tree Samples announces GROUP BUY, Evolution Electric Guitar
2010/05/27 21:26:35
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You're right--this is a great deal on a great-sounding library. I hope more people take advantage of this before the time runs out! We just need to keep the offer in front of people for as long as possible.
SONAR Platinum ▪ NI Komplete, Korg DLC, Arturia V5 Collection, Dimension Pro, IK Multimedia & other synths ▪ Les Paul, Peavey and Yamaha guitars. Listen to some of my stuff here: https://soundcloud.com/shadowsoflife . Comments from other SONAR users are always welcome!
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