Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips-OH I get it

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2010/12/10 22:37:46 (permalink)

Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips-OH I get it

Maybe this has been brought up, but I haven't noticed it.  Why are the MIDI strips flashing in the red constantly when you play, no matter how soft the notes are?  It looks like you're peaking out when you're not -- ?

EDIT:  This was instantly cleared up, but it remains a minor annoyance that the MIDI Activity Indicator in the MIDI strips looks identical to Audio clipping on Audio strips.

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/10 22:43:34 (permalink)
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    Maybe this has been brought up, but I haven't noticed it.  Why are the MIDI strips flashing in the red constantly when you play, no matter how soft the notes are?  It looks like you're peaking out when you're not -- ?

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    In 8.5.3 it's like that too ... it's not a peak value indicator, just an activity indicator for MIDI tracks.



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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/10 22:44:15 (permalink)
    Yeah, noticed this too. I assume it should be green as in active, not red for clipping.
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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/10 22:53:27 (permalink)
    AH!  I never noticed it in Sonar 8.5 because there the color was a cool, non-threatening blue.  It never registered in my brain as something to notice, but here in X1 it looks like clipping because of the color choice.  Red means clipping in the recording world, as Pathos points out.

    And this is ironic, because I started the B&M thread (****in' and moanin') about the drab lack of color in X1, and now here's this surprising vivid RED in the program where it really shouldn't be.

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/10 23:13:04 (permalink)
    lol! Drove me nuts at first. If there is not a way to change this, I think this should be added to the list of "to do's"

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/10 23:32:09 (permalink)
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    AH!  I never noticed it in Sonar 8.5 because there the color was a cool, non-threatening blue.  It never registered in my brain as something to notice, but here in X1 it looks like clipping because of the color choice.  Red means clipping in the recording world, as Pathos points out.

    And this is ironic, because I started the B&M thread (****in' and moanin') about the drab lack of color in X1, and now here's this surprising vivid RED in the program where it really shouldn't be.

    RB

    Yeah, it fooled me at first, but I knew that MIDI tracks had the 'activity' light in most prior versions so I just figured it out.

    However -- why oh why DID they pick red??   That just doesn't make sense because, as you rightfully point out, Red "generally" is a color used for clipping indication.



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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/10 23:33:39 (permalink)
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    lol! Drove me nuts at first. If there is not a way to change this, I think this should be added to the list of "to do's"


    I don't fully understand why we even need such an indicator since we already have MIDI meters.


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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/10 23:40:34 (permalink)
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    AH!  I never noticed it in Sonar 8.5 because there the color was a cool, non-threatening blue.  It never registered in my brain as something to notice, but here in X1 it looks like clipping because of the color choice.  Red means clipping in the recording world, as Pathos points out.

    And this is ironic, because I started the B&M thread (****in' and moanin') about the drab lack of color in X1, and now here's this surprising vivid RED in the program where it really shouldn't be.

    RB

    Yeah, it fooled me at first, but I knew that MIDI tracks had the 'activity' light in most prior versions so I just figured it out.

    However -- why oh why DID they pick red??   That just doesn't make sense because, as you rightfully point out, Red "generally" is a color used for clipping indication.


    Yeah lol, "oh crap, what is mixed to hot???"

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/10 23:41:22 (permalink)
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    lol! Drove me nuts at first. If there is not a way to change this, I think this should be added to the list of "to do's"


    I don't fully understand why we even need such an indicator since we already have MIDI meters.


    Agree with that too. May there is a way to make them go away and I've just not discovered that easter egg yet.

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 00:41:21 (permalink)
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    lol! Drove me nuts at first. If there is not a way to change this, I think this should be added to the list of "to do's"


    I don't fully understand why we even need such an indicator since we already have MIDI meters.


    Agree with that too. May there is a way to make them go away and I've just not discovered that easter egg yet.

    In the meanwhile, just DON'T LOOK! :)




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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 01:05:33 (permalink)
    why oh why DID they pick red??

     
    Tradition - almost every MIDI indicator on every piece of hardware ever sold is a red LED. Doesn't bother me a bit. But I would like to be able to disable MIDI track meters altogether, expecially if they haven't fixed it so that playing a piano part with a lot of sustain events makes it look like your velocities are peaking constantly.
     
    I filed a problem report when MIDI meters were first introduced, asking that they only register note velocity, and nothing else.
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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 01:16:46 (permalink)
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    why oh why DID they pick red??

     
    Tradition - almost every MIDI indicator on every piece of hardware ever sold is a red LED. Doesn't bother me a bit. But I would like to be able to disable MIDI track meters altogether, expecially if they haven't fixed it so that playing a piano part with a lot of sustain events makes it look like your velocities are peaking constantly.
     
    I filed a problem report when MIDI meters were first introduced, asking that they only register note velocity, and nothing else.
    But "tradition" doesn't "change everything"  (wink wink).

    This is a new GUI, so out with tradition! ;)





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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 02:40:18 (permalink)
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    why oh why DID they pick red??

     
    Tradition - almost every MIDI indicator on every piece of hardware ever sold is a red LED. Doesn't bother me a bit. But I would like to be able to disable MIDI track meters altogether, expecially if they haven't fixed it so that playing a piano part with a lot of sustain events makes it look like your velocities are peaking constantly.
     


    Hehehehe, which means it Does bother you more than a bit - those red meters make it look like you're peaking out all time, just as you said.

    I honestly never noticed this in previous Sonars, because it was just a light blue flickering.  I don't care about what's happening on a MIDI strip, I'm looking at the Audio track it's feeding, since that's where the signal counts.

    Like Billy said, we just don't look at it - but why have this annoying red flashing all the time?  It's silly.

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 06:13:22 (permalink)
    Have you tried lowering the velocity to see if it changes color? Just a thought.

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 06:21:36 (permalink)
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    lol! Drove me nuts at first. If there is not a way to change this, I think this should be added to the list of "to do's"


    I don't fully understand why we even need such an indicator since we already have MIDI meters.


    Agree with that too. May there is a way to make them go away and I've just not discovered that easter egg yet.

    In the meanwhile, just DON'T LOOK! :)

    LOL!!


    I think the OP would look really cool wearing these sunglasses:



     
     
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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 12:48:37 (permalink)
    Crg


    Have you tried lowering the velocity to see if it changes color? Just a thought.


    It stays the same, Crg, no matter how low the velocity is, because red flashing at the top of the strip is just a MIDI activity indicator, and it's constantly the same whenever data is happening on that MIDI channel.  Touch your volume pedal and it blinks, push a button on a controller, it blinks. 

    If I end up using X1 very much (doubtful at the moment), I'll just wear the cool specs from SongCraft to obscure the view - THAnks for those, SongCraft. 

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 18:35:56 (permalink)

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 20:35:20 (permalink)
    I don't fully understand why we even need such an indicator since we already have MIDI meters.
    The activity indicators  show any MIDI activity such as a PG the meters show velocity which is a very poor choice but at least we can see if stuff is getting through.

     

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 20:37:46 (permalink)
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    I don't fully understand why we even need such an indicator since we already have MIDI meters.
    The activity indicators  show any MIDI activity such as a PG the meters show velocity which is a very poor choice but at least we can see if stuff is getting through.



    NICE to see you here John.  I hope you are well!

    Now your activity indicator is lit up again :)



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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 20:42:21 (permalink)
    LOL Yep it is. Good to be back. I had a meltdown with my internet provider. Now all is well.

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 20:52:14 (permalink)
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    NICE to see you here John.  I hope you are well!

    Now your activity indicator is lit up again :)


    +1 - Very good to see you back, John.

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 21:19:12 (permalink)
    You guys are going to make me blush.

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 21:21:32 (permalink)
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    You guys are going to make me blush.


    And type :P



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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 21:26:47 (permalink)
    Hey John ol pal!!!  We were worried about ya.  Welcome back!  As you can see not much has changed ;-)

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 21:29:13 (permalink)
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    You guys are going to make me blush.


    You have no idea!

    There was quite a hubbub about your absence:

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 21:35:30 (permalink)
    yeah!!!  John is back.. man you had folks concerned.. anyway MERRY XMAS!! man its great to hear you are ok.. aleef..

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 21:44:20 (permalink)
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    Hey John ol pal!!!  We were worried about ya.  Welcome back!  As you can see not much has changed ;-)

    Shhh!  Don't tell Bapu that!  ;)



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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 22:55:51 (permalink)
    Oh yea....ahem.....as you can see John, X1 has changed everything.  Isn't that right Bapu??

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 22:59:33 (permalink)
    That is a velocity midi indicator, so if it's in the red, alot of velocity. Nothing to worry about though.

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    Re:Constantly in the red on MIDI channel strips 2010/12/11 23:29:03 (permalink)
    Someone just a few posts back said that no matter the level of activity - it went in the red.

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