Here's a cool feature in X1

That is amazing! All right why was this not talked about? 

Sweet!  Thanks.  Notice the most you can crunch a clip is down to 25% of original.  Guess you still can't do Aphex Twin snare rushes this way!

Its still a cool feature.

brundlefly

I just checked it is in 8.5 too.

 
I'm pretty sure that goes all the way back to S6, along with AudioSnap.

Yup, old news, cool feature, but old news.

Child.

Thats exactly what I was looking for! I did a post somewhere saying I couldn't find the percentage feature for time stretching audio as in 8.5.3 , so thanks for that:-)

Very old but still a cool feature. :-)

This brings up a question: In previous versions of Sonar you could only select the Radius algorithms for offline rendering. I always found that a real shame considering the power of modern computers. I want to hear how things will sound straight away and don't want to first have to bounce etc just to see how stretching a clip will sound. Let me as a user decide if I want to allocate resources to that. Don't force things on me.

So my question is, in X1, can one choose the various Radius algorithms for online rendering? And can it be set per track? (The settings used to be in the AudioSnap palette. Probably the first place to check).

UnderTow

mike_mccue


The thing about the Radius algorithms is that they have a idiosyncratic tendency to place the transients in slightly different places than you set them at... and each algorithm does it differently.

So, while your selecting your favorite algorithm and listening for warbles you might also want to pay attention to rhythm... because it is *wow-ing* when you choose another option.



Should be fixed by now, could be fixed by now.

Isn't fixed by now.

I don't think it is fair to blame Cakewalk if the issue is in the iZotope algorithms themselves. (I don't know). On the other hand, there is no reason not to allow users to select RADIUS for online rendering. (Even if it is implemented by doing a transparent bounce to clips behind the scene. I don't care as long as there is a quick workflow that avoids any unnecessary clicking) . So, can we in X1?

UnderTow

garrigus


Radius algorithms are only available for offline.

Bummer...

Thanks for the info Scott!

UnderTow

Scott Lee


Yup been in awhile. Always reminded me the way Cubase SX handled time stretching with a tool, rather then the ACID drap and drop. One great feature about Sonar ;)

Except that in Cubase there is no difference between online and offline rendering. You can straight away hear the final version. The tool is selected by pressing 1 on the keyboard. That is very quick. All in all Cubase is faster than Sonar with this particular function as Sonar doesn't give you the final version until you bounce to clips or export. Those are extra steps.

I do think that RADIUS sounds better than Cubase's MPEX algorithm. That is ultimately what counts most but it is a shame we can't have good sounding algorithms AND instant rendering. :-)

UnderTow

"All in all Cubase is faster than Sonar with this particular function"

Hi Undertow,

If we are talking about time stretching beats, its not the way to go anyways. Pre REXing audio and triggering via midi is a much preferred method. Not only do you get the best quality (Time stetching isnt perfect on any platform) but the ability to beat mash samples to a point of something new and creative.

I tend to never use any loops but if I do they will be REXed and something completely different.

One thing I wish Sonar did have while on this subject is a better way to export midi triggers of hit transients. Unfortunately, Beatscape never worked properly and looks like its been canned by Cakewalk. I do though have an excellent workaround of this very topic.

Best,

Don't know whether this is new or not but double clicking in the time line starts playback from that point. Similarly you can loop back or jump forward to any point in the project by single clicking in the timeline while the project is playing back.

Both of those features also go back at least to S8. And I'm fairly sure the second one goes back further.


EDIT: I checked S6 (still installed on my old laptop), and both features work there.

Keep it quiet they might break it with the next patch. lol

Thats why I kept Guitar Tracks Pro 2. When I was transcribing or working a fast passage all I had to do was import audio. The tempo is set at 100 so to slow the audio down you just type in a number,say 75, and the audio temp was cut to 75 without the pitch change. A GREAT TOOL!
SO, Thanks MixMan !! This is a wonderful discovery!

 I did not know this existed in 8.5.

How about this then?

Slip the audio without moving the clip itself. Alt+Shift. Now that's really cool too. Is this new?

Thanks Scott.

Is there a way to move tracks around like in 8.5 in the console view by draging?

What about the track view or via menu somewhere?

The track manager SHOULD let you do this, right? Seems odd that it doesn't.