the grid

The grid can be turn on/adjusted under the view menu - Display in track view and View - grid resolution in PRV.  It always has been there.  Somewhere along the line you must have turned it off.

Doesn't he mean the grid in the track view...not the piano roll view?  You used to be able to have the grid synced to to the snap settings in the track view. the was a little icon on the top right of the TV to turn it on and off.

Its still there in the View menu of the TV.  Display-> Show Vertical Grid Lines. Then have them in front behind or none. You set the snap with the snap settings and the lines will follow.

Oo thanx !

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I realy miss the option , to switch on a grid which is synced to the snap setting ----so I dont loose focus on things if I work with 64ths audio pieces and stuff ----I miss that grid ! It was here in Sonar 7 and in 8.5 it was suddenly gone I remember ---- aim assist helps ...but its not close as good as an actual visible grid ----

You're right, it's gone in 8.5 and that button is gone in X1

Now before everyone tells me that I'm wrong, I believe the OP is talking about the button the Adds Musical Snap to Transient pool and not the vertical grid lines on each bar.

Here is a pic.




The switch is circled in red and the pool markers are highlighted in yellow.  This grid is set up for sixteenths.  I don't think this can be done in X1.  If it can, please give me step by step instructions because I'm not seeing it.


EDIT:  BTW, the workaround is to set your time signature to 1/16 (1/8. 1/4 etc.)  till you no longer need the grid and then set it back.   I like the old way better.

mike_mccue


In past versions you could display that grid without having to enter "Transient" mode.

It is somehow integrated to the Audio Snap process... and as Audio Snap is developed from it's original "per clip" mission to an aspiration to act as a full time global transient detection system we will experience growing pains in the implementation.

A one step feature that used a dedicated button, a feature that many enjoyed without ever associating it with Audio Snap, is now buried deep inside the Transient Detection system and is a royal pain to turn on and off.

This was pointed out when version 8.5 came out.

best regards,
mike

A one step feature that used a dedicated button, a feature that many enjoyed without ever associating it with Audio Snap, is now buried deep inside the Transient Detection system and is a royal pain to turn on and off.

And that deeply buried feature isn't really the same (even if it worked - which is doesn't) because you can only add MBT to the pool so I'm guessing that the best you can get is single beats and not beat subdivisions like in SONAR 8 and previous versions.
 
The Add Musical Snap was never intended by the Bakers to be used as a grid system but it had the accidental effect of becoming one.  Personally, I miss it a lot.  And as so often it happens, when users ask for a feature (a grid overlay) from Cakewalk, we don't get what we ask for - we get what they want to push on us (Aim Assist).  Aim assist is ok but it's not as effective for my purposes as a grid overlay.  I personally don't see what the problem that the Bakers could have with a user defined grid overlay.

I reported CWBRN-3948 - "Add MBT To Pool Menu Option Is Always Grayed Out" back in January. It is in Submitted To Development status, but does not appear to be fixed in X1b. I encountered the problem on day one, because one of my templates from 8.5 had it turned on, and I could not turn it off in X1. The feature is there (though inconveniently buried), and it works if inherited from 8.5, but like Grid Resolution > Follow Snap in the PRV (which will be fixed in X1b), it is inaccessible in X1a.
 
EDIT (April 10, 2011): When I wrote "it does not appears to be fixed in X1b", I meant that it wasn't on the list of planned fixes as of March 16. but it was in fact fixed at some point for the X1b release.

is in Submitted To Development status, but does not appear to be fixed in X1b.

I won't be happy if that turns out to be true.

The only grid overlay I've used or need is the Vertical Grid Lines, set to display behind clips.  That grid displays measures.  Obviously people are saying they want a note resolution grid, but I'm not clear why the Aim Assist doesn't provide that function?

RB

I have learned to expect less.

And therein is the secret to happiness: Lowered expectations.

mike_mccue


"And that deeply buried feature isn't really the same (even if it worked - which is doesn't) because you can only add MBT to the pool so I'm guessing that the best you can get is single beats and not beat subdivisions like in SONAR 8 and previous versions."

I didn't recognize that... I thought it followed the snap settings regardless of the "MBT" labeling on the command.

No, that's not right. The T in MBT is for Tick. You can get gridlines all the way down to 2 ticks if you set the snap at that, and zoom in far enough for SONAR to draw them all.

I guess I thought Dave was saying that you can not show a 1/8th note grid on a 4/4 scale.

 
Here's a screenshot (from 8.5.3) with MBT pool lines at 2 ticks. It may be hard to see (try zooming your browser), but the Musical Time is set at 2 ticks, and the the timeline is zoomed such that the sides of the snap dialog are in between 2:02:840 and 2:02:848 with the Now time at 2:02:841 (I also have Absolute Time snap enabled at 24 samples, which is 1 tick at 125BPM). you can have a grid at any resolution you want from 2 ticks to a measure.
 

You can use any of the standard snap resolutions down to a 128th Triplet, which is 20 ticks (at 960PPQ). I was just trying to illustrate that there is effectively no limit to how fine a resolution you can get. Using ticks also allows you to set grids at non-standard resolutions like quintuplets, etc.
 
So, yes, showing 8th pool lines on a 4/4 timeline is no problem.

brundlefly


You can use any of the standard snap resolutions down to a 128th Triplet, which is 20 ticks (at 960PPQ). I was just trying to illustrate that there is effectively no limit to how fine a resolution you can get. Using ticks also allows you to set grids at non-standard resolutions like quintuplets, etc.
 
So, yes, showing 8th pool lines on a 4/4 timeline is no problem.

This is news to me.  So where in the heck is the Add MBT to pool in 8.5.3?  Somewhere in the deep, dark bowels of a nested 8.5.3 menu?  Maybe they were trying to give us a taste of what was to come?

There was no change from 8.5.2 to 8.5.3 that I know of. I'm on 8.5.3. You must have the transient tool selected, right-click in the clips pane, go to the >>> extension at the bottom of the context menu, and choose Pool > Add MBT to Pool.