strange issue/bug with metronome count-in

How about if you were to record a high hat on the metronome count in, and then shut off the metronome (set it to 0 measure count in) and use the recorded hats as your count in? ................................... EDIT: Have you made sure that the metronome preference is set to 2 measures? OR, If there actually is a bug, you may be able to work-around it by setting the count in to "beats" and setting the count in number appropriately (probably 8 beats in your case). hope that makes sense.

This seems to affect only a small subset of users, but I have seen other reports. So it's either project- or system-specific. But I don't recall that any of the users reporting this issue have come back with a solution.


I suggest you try renaming AUD.INI, and see of the problem goes away with the default one that SONAR will create to replace it. If so, you can compare the two, and see what's changed.
What audio interface and driver mode are you running? You might also try switching from ASIO to WDM or vice versa, and see if that has any effect. 

I wasn't implying that you set it incorrectly, I hope you did not get that impression. Sorry if you did. Anyway, try setting the count in to beats (not measures), if yours is in common 4/4 time, then set the count in to 4 beats - that will be one measure. If it's still counting in double, then set the count in to 2 beats and that should work. i know it shouldn't have to be done that way, but sometimes you have to do what works. Hopefully that will. let me know.

does switching the count in to "beats" and cutting the number of beats in half solve the problem?

Hi, I justed tried it on a different system (my first system: vista 32 bit, sonar x1c 32, alesis io14 in wdm/ks mode; my second system: win7 64, sonar x1c 64, onboard realtec soundcard via asio4all, obviously in asio mode) and it is exactly the same. Strange that others cannot reproduce it. It does not seem to be very specific to hardware.

metronome setting is: recording only, count-in 1 measure, using audio metronome (with the default sounds).

cheers, drjee

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I wasn't implying that you set it incorrectly, I hope you did not get that impression. Sorry if you did. Anyway, try setting the count in to beats (not measures), if yours is in common 4/4 time, then set the count in to 4 beats - that will be one measure. If it's still counting in double, then set the count in to 2 beats and that should work. i know it shouldn't have to be done that way, but sometimes you have to do what works. Hopefully that will. let me know.

don't worry, I just wanted to clarify that. and thanks for your interest.

Asio4all is the culprit.

an interface would be best. 

I've just tried it on my laptop - 1 bar count in, audio metronome, ASIO4ALL driving my onboard realtec, and no problems here.

I've tried messing with output settings as well but can't get it to not work. Have you tried from a different template, just in case there's corruption there? Having said that the chances of having the same corruption on two different machines is extremely slim. I assume it wasn't the same project?

it's very strange that cutting the beats in half has no effect on shortening the count in time. Just for the sake of finding out if any metronome adjustment will have an effect, how about trying to increase the count in time?

Dan Cate [Cakewalk
]

Hi drjee,

There is a current issue with X1, Audio Metronome Count-In and recording instruments that are MIDI out capable. Soft synths like JamStix and Groove Agent are examples of VSTi's that send out MIDI. We're looking into the issue now it will be addressed in a future update. 

You did not mention here whether you were recording MIDI or audio. If the recording circumstances do not include a software instrument and you are experiencing the shift with count-in, please let me know. 

Thanks,
Dan [Cakewalk]

Dan,

That's interesting.  I"m using Maschine (almost every day) in X1"E"xpanded.  Maschine is a MIDI Out plugin (and I use it that way) and I'm not seeing this problem.

So that could mean it got fixed in "E"?

Dan Cate [Cakewalk
]

Hi drjee,

There is a current issue with X1, Audio Metronome Count-In and recording instruments that are MIDI out capable. Soft synths like JamStix and Groove Agent are examples of VSTi's that send out MIDI. We're looking into the issue now it will be addressed in a future update. 

You did not mention here whether you were recording MIDI or audio. If the recording circumstances do not include a software instrument and you are experiencing the shift with count-in, please let me know. 

Thanks,
Dan [Cakewalk]

Hi Dan, 

thanks for joining in. It also happens if I record audio data. And I already submitted a test file using Rapture LE (which, as far as I know, does not have midi out). So it seems to me that this problem is not restricted to recoding midi out instruments.

cheers, drjee

Hi drjee,

I looked into the report you filed. Here's the issue I think you are experiencing:

There are two methods for getting a VST/DX instrument to play in a project. 1) You can insert an instrument via the synth rack, insert menu, or drag drop from the browser - plugins tab - Instruments section. 2) You can add an instrument to an FX bin in an audio track and route MIDI to it from a MIDI track.

It appears that if you add an instrument to the FX bin, as opposed to adding them through the Synth rack, you can get into a condition where count in is offsetting the playback of that instrument. I've alerted engineering to the issue and it should get addressed in a future update.

In the meantime, I recommend using the synth rack as the method for inserting instruments to the track view to avoid this issue.  There is actually more benefit to using VST/DX instruments this way in your projects. For example, you can use instrument tracks to consolidate editing in one track or set up multiple outs for VSTis that support it. Adding instruments via the FX bin is a legacy method left in to accommodate older projects. 

There are a few methods you can use for your current projects: 

1. You can Freeze the audio track the synth is on. Bypass the synth in the FX bin as it will still receive MIDI (click the bypass button to the right of the synth in the FX bin). 

2. You can save your VST/DX instrument settings as a preset, delete it from the audio FX bin, add the instrument via the Insert menu, drag drop from browser or add from Synth rack and re-route the MIDI track to it. 

Hope this helps!
Dan [Cakewalk]

Hi drjee,

Yes, I agree a fix is due for the issue. 

There really is no difference between using DXI/VSTs in the FX bin or synth rack when it comes to routing MIDI. You can still assign separate MIDI tracks to that synth for key switches, automation, separate channels etc..., regardless of whether it is on an FX bin or in the synth rack, on an instrument track or inserted with a MIDI source.  The advantage of using the synth rack is you can assign multiple outs for synths that support it.

Hope this helps.
Daniel 

They're seems to be some settings that can be played around with to make your experience better. My only gripe is that when you count in you cannot play your midi instrument whilst counting in. Shame that! Otherwise Studio version is working as intended!

Assign your Metronome output to a Metronome bus (if it isn't already), and set the Output of that bus directly to the Main Outs on you interface so it doesn't go through the Master bus and out to the compressor.